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« on: June 10, 2009, 01:55:34 PM »

If an officer of the law can easily overpower someone and get the cuffs on them, should they taser them first anyway?



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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 02:01:55 PM »

That cop's lucky she didn't have a pacemaker.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 02:38:18 PM »

cop should have let her go in the street.  would have solved all problems.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 02:39:45 PM »

lau "I'm just a sweet innocent old lady." it's sad to see a cranky old hag get zapped; but it seems to me she gave him permission and dared him as well. 72 year olds can be extremely dangerous. as  friend of mine said "I'm too old to be fighting you, I'll just shoot you or beat you with something heavy." -the hag was asking for it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 02:40:07 PM »

cop should have let her go in the street.  would have solved all problems.

She seemed to have her wits about her, and didn't seem headed for the street... she was headed back to her truck.  Or were you saying he should have murdered her by pushing her into traffic?
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 02:45:22 PM »

lau "I'm just a sweet innocent old lady." it's sad to see a cranky old hag get zapped; but it seems to me she gave him permission and dared him as well. 72 year olds can be extremely dangerous. as  friend of mine said "I'm too old to be fighting you, I'll just shoot you or beat you with something heavy." -the hag was asking for it.


She was clearly not armed though, and the cop could have easily overpowered her the old-fashoned way.  All he had to do was grab her hands and throw the cuffs on.  If the cop isn't capable of subduing a 72 year old woman half his size without the assistance of a tazer... maybe the police force needs to raise their physical fitness standards there.  Just sayin'.

If she was daring him to shoot her with his gun, that wouldn't have justified it if he had.  Cops are supposed to use force only when necessary, not just because someone dares you to.  Part of being a cop is having a bit of restraint even when the person you're going to arrest deserves much worse.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 02:50:53 PM »

yup, and then the discussion would be "why did the big, mean cop have to knock the old lady on the ground?"
well the answer is obvious - because she was there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 03:06:50 PM »

yup, and then the discussion would be "why did the big, mean cop have to knock the old lady on the ground?"
well the answer is obvious - because she was there.

The cop didn't have to knock her down, just turn her around, cuff her and place her in the car.

On another note. I refused to sign a ticket once. The officer made note of that on the ticket and handed me my copy and let me go. You don't have to sign it. And they can let you go or arrest you. If they let you go and you don't show up then a warrant will be out for you with in 60 days.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 03:12:22 PM »

yup, and then the discussion would be "why did the big, mean cop have to knock the old lady on the ground?"
well the answer is obvious - because she was there.

The cop didn't have to knock her down, just turn her around, cuff her and place her in the car.

On another note. I refused to sign a ticket once. The officer made note of that on the ticket and handed me my copy and let me go. You don't have to sign it. And they can let you go or arrest you. If they let you go and you don't show up then a warrant will be out for you with in 60 days.

Yeah, seemed like the cop let his ego get in the way of his judgement here. 

Sure the lady was being difficult... and maybe she deserved it... but just because someone deserves something, doesn't excuse giving it to them when the situation doesn't require it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 03:28:39 PM »

Imagine that - cops are people with a job to do.
And she lied after the fact.
And she was wearing large baggy clothes - so 'clearly not armed' is clearly a matter of opinion. Especially in the position of armchair quarterback safely viewing a dashcam recording.
If you choose to dislike law enforcement personnel then there's a myriad  of things you can say they did wrong daily - probably hourly if you follow them around.
I'll state that my opinion ranges from indifferent to - maybe they don't smack enough people around who are as deserving as bantam granny.
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 04:07:24 PM »

Well, my family is full of LEO's, but they don't act like that. If it were my mother or grandmother, he would need much more than a taser when I found him.

We had one cop here once that thought he was diety. A group of gentlemen assisted him into a trash can, handcuffed him to the handle, and hoisted him to the top of the local flagpole. He spent the night there. He resigned shortly there after.
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 10:36:05 PM »

My interpertation of the incident was that the Lady was willing to go to Jail and said so when she got out of the truck. 
I think if the Officer hadn't gotten confrontational at her refusal to sign the ticket that she would have walked back to his patrol car and gotten into the back seat unassisted.

But what do I know, I'm just a retired cop who has had experiences just like that and never had to use a taser or force of any kind.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 04:23:02 AM »

The use of tasers in my State has been put to rest by the new PC, for the time being. He is not convinced that they are in the best interests of his officers. He is a new age guy, the force doesnt like him 2 months into the new job, and didnt think much of him when he was DPC for crime.

 All politics in the force nowdays it seems. But we have a former PComm on a string of charges, and the former head of the police union on same. This follows the disbanding of the armed robbers due to corruption, lying on oath by several members etc etc.

He states that cops already have enough kit on their belts, that relying on taser is frought with danger for his troops. He didnt wade into the debate on what effect hey have on the public. His opinion is that tasers are best left to the SOG and other specialist units that already use them.

Im glad we wont have them here. Doesnt really effect me, but due to the type of officers we get here nowdays, they relaxed the standards you see, no we have deaf, blind, dwarf, aggressive, sociopaths in the force, we dont need tasers. 

I was watching two coppers the other day, talking to a young bloke, the constant idle slapping of the baton on his own leg by one cop was just bad training, it was aggressive and intimidatory policiing. I dont want a bloke like this using a taser. (they let him go BTW, just a random stop/hassle).
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