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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2009, 04:39:40 PM »

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My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars.  This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work.

This is part of what I have a big problem with.  Maybe they are doing something about the access inventory, and some dealers are helping out those that were cut, but leaving them hanging like this is wrong.

Leaving them hanging is exactly what happens when any business goes under.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2009, 04:44:25 PM »

I just have to ask. Does everybody keep missing this part...

"On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them."
Got that in one, Jerry, but this discussion isn't going to acknowledge that.  It is wrong, stealing this guys business is as bad as eminent domain, something I'm sure some of the participants here think is just fine.

His franchise isn't being given to someone else.  He's simply losing it while others in the area are not. 

You know, you sheeple are the quickest sheeple I've ever seen to eat up anything anyone that's got their hand out asking for buck has to say. 
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 06:48:36 PM »

Nope, changed my mind.  Something you should think of doing too, SgtMaj, before you insult people.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2009, 07:00:12 PM »

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You know, you sheeple are the quickest sheeple I've ever seen to eat up anything anyone that's got their hand out asking for buck has to say. 


who do you think has their hand out?  the dealerships pay for the inventory and will not be reimbursed for it.  that inventory will be redistributed as the story stands now.  not only will the dealer lose the franchise, lose the business, but if they are left to sell the inventory, they can not sell it as new or do the warranty work backed by the auto manufacturer.  yes, the govt said they'd cover warranty work, but as of right now, they will not cover the work for the disenfranchised dealers.

it's not the dealer with his hand out.  it's manufacturer who is now government owned.....shades of Hugo again.

you are quick to call people names.  to bad you are not so quick to do your homework.  looks like we are going to skip socialism and go right to a dictatorship.  it comes complete with czars accountable only to the president.  isn't that special?

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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2009, 10:08:26 PM »

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You know, you sheeple are the quickest sheeple I've ever seen to eat up anything anyone that's got their hand out asking for buck has to say. 


who do you think has their hand out?  the dealerships pay for the inventory and will not be reimbursed for it.

And they are asking for your tax dollars to reimburse them for it... That's sticking their hand out!

that inventory will be redistributed as the story stands now.

Only if they sell it to other dealers.  The dealership bought the vehicles, they are the dealership's property and problem now.  Just like they would be if GM had closed it's doors forever.

not only will the dealer lose the franchise, lose the business, but if they are left to sell the inventory, they can not sell it as new or do the warranty work backed by the auto manufacturer.

How dumb do sheeple have to be to eat that line up?  The warranty is provided by the manufacturer, not the franchise.  The warranties on those vehicles are still good, it's just that the franchise would not be able to get reimbursed for doing any warranty work on vehicles in the future... that does not prevent the dealership from selling the vehicles as new and explaining to customers that they will not be able to bring the car back to the dealership for warranty work.

yes, the govt said they'd cover warranty work, but as of right now, they will not cover the work for the disenfranchised dealers.

Yes, but customers can take the cars they buy from those former franchises to other dealers for warranty work. 

it's not the dealer with his hand out.  it's manufacturer who is now government owned.....shades of Hugo again.

The dealer is clearly asking for your tax dollars here, but like I said before, you're quick to believe anyone that's trying to gain something from you... the big oil companies would NEVER lie to you about global warming... and clearly the only fair thing here is if GM uses more government funds to keep this dealership in business.

you are quick to call people names.  to bad you are not so quick to do your homework.  looks like we are going to skip socialism and go right to a dictatorship.  it comes complete with czars accountable only to the president.  isn't that special?

Baaa says the sheeple.  Seriously, this is pathetic.  I know it's just because you want to oppose the president in every way you can, but you're willing to fall for anything to do that... I know this story makes you FEEL bad for the guy and bad about the president, but FEELING shouldn't be a subtitute for thinking.
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2009, 10:43:33 PM »

Boy sarge,
Talking about sheeple,all this socialist crap this government is pulling is blatant enough I hope it wakes up the sheeple to realize their way of life is being stolen from them. Shut down religion,free speech and private enterprise then you may as well turn off the lights in America.It wi;ll no longer be the shining beacon on the hill that so many people seem to want to cross our borders to get too!!Do you think all the Mexicans are coming here because it's so much nicer in Mexico? Are there people dying to get out of America?  Not yet,but if our way of life is taken away,there very well could be.Sheeple my butt,I'm glad some people aren't blinded by the rose colored glasses.
 I can only hope my son can see the America I saw growing up.

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While your business is a private business, Chrysler is not because their corporate executives chose to take taxpayer dollars in exchange for letting the government manage their business, which means they are, at least for now a government entity.

That is not true.This mans inventory was purchased from Chrysler,not on consignment.It is no more true than saying because I bought a Chrysler that I am an agent of the government. What about the property that this man bought and paid for? He didn't get the government money!
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2009, 10:55:15 PM »

sarge, you need to research the terms as they stand now.  the dealer is the loser.  next the customer.  after that, the taxpayer for giving GM and Chrysler any money at all.  they should have been allowed to fail.

big oil and my eyes cross.  you really know nothing.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2009, 11:15:05 PM »

Boy sarge,
Talking about sheeple,all this socialist crap this government is pulling is blatant enough I hope it wakes up the sheeple to realize their way of life is being stolen from them. Shut down religion,free speech and private enterprise then you may as well turn off the lights in America.It wi;ll no longer be the shining beacon on the hill that so many people seem to want to cross our borders to get too!!Do you think all the Mexicans are coming here because it's so much nicer in Mexico? Are there people dying to get out of America?  Not yet,but if our way of life is taken away,there very well could be.Sheeple my butt,I'm glad some people aren't blinded by the rose colored glasses.
 I can only hope my son can see the America I saw growing up.

Do you really believe that this is an either-or case?  Do you really believe you can't dislike both?

I'm not fond of the takeover one bit, I'd rather they had let them go out of business altogether, but it pee'd me off even more than every tom dick and harry dealership now thinks they are entitled to some of that government money as well.

You wrote:
My response would be:
While your business is a private business, Chrysler is not because their corporate executives chose to take taxpayer dollars in exchange for letting the government manage their business, which means they are, at least for now a government entity.

That is not true.This mans inventory was purchased from Chrysler,not on consignment.It is no more true than saying because I bought a Chrysler that I am an agent of the government. What about the property that this man bought and paid for? He didn't get the government money!

They aren't taking away the inventory that he already purchased.  He is asking for a handout of your tax dollars now so that he doesn't have to bother trying to sell that inventory.  What a lazy sack of (I can't say here what I think of him).  This is no different than welfare... he wants to get paid so that he doesn't have to work!  What CRAP!
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2009, 11:21:51 PM »

sarge, you need to research the terms as they stand now.  the dealer is the loser.  next the customer.  after that, the taxpayer for giving GM and Chrysler any money at all.  they should have been allowed to fail.

big oil and my eyes cross.  you really know nothing.

No, the dealer is A loser who wants a handout!  It was bad enough that we gave a handout to GM, now we're supposed to compound that mistake by giving a handout to everyone else? 

The customer hasn't lost anything... except maybe that they now have to drive across the street to get their car serviced for warranty work at the other dealership in town.

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2009, 03:37:36 AM »


How dumb do sheeple have to be to eat that line up?  The warranty is provided by the manufacturer, not the franchise.  The warranties on those vehicles are still good, it's just that the franchise would not be able to get reimbursed for doing any warranty work on vehicles in the future... that does not prevent the dealership from selling the vehicles as new and explaining to customers that they will not be able to bring the car back to the dealership for warranty work.

...for now. (What dealership? It's being closed.)
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2009, 04:27:28 AM »

It doesn't have to be closed.  If it's being closed then that was the decision of the jerk who wrote that letter asking for hand-outs.  Chrysler is simply saying that they will no longer do business with him because they were taking a loss on him that they can no longer afford to take.  No one is saying that he has to go out of business though.  He can still sell the remaining inventory then either convert to a used car dealership or sign on with a different manufacturer to sell other new cars. 
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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2009, 06:14:32 AM »

If he owns the inventories,how is Chrysler taking the loss? I didn't hear him asking for money.I think his point was that by pulling his franchise he can't be a new car dealer even though he has new cars on the lot.
 These cars cannot be retailed at an auto auction,lucky to get wholesale with this being pulled on so many dealers.
 He should have been able to sell these cars under the franchise before the plug was pulled.
If yopu borrowed money from the bank to buy your home,and make all your payments and then the bank goes insolvent,should Uncle Sam sell your house to get it's money back,hmmmm?
 
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2009, 06:33:56 AM »

It doesn't have to be closed.  If it's being closed then that was the decision of the jerk who wrote that letter asking for hand-outs.  Chrysler is simply saying that they will no longer do business with him because they were taking a loss on him that they can no longer afford to take.  No one is saying that he has to go out of business though.  He can still sell the remaining inventory then either convert to a used car dealership or sign on with a different manufacturer to sell other new cars. 
read the letter. Is he supposed to fund a dying Dodge dealership with Isuzu sales? I guess he could deplete his (vast personal wealth?) to pay the financing on the cars he can't sell anymore. Nevermind - this isn't really as much pity for a capitalist as disdain on the franchise  - as someone else pointed out they're closing his summarily and GIVING IT to someone else.
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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2009, 06:54:22 AM »

If he owns the inventories,how is Chrysler taking the loss? I didn't hear him asking for money.I think his point was that by pulling his franchise he can't be a new car dealer even though he has new cars on the lot.
 These cars cannot be retailed at an auto auction,lucky to get wholesale with this being pulled on so many dealers.
 He should have been able to sell these cars under the franchise before the plug was pulled.
If yopu borrowed money from the bank to buy your home,and make all your payments and then the bank goes insolvent,should Uncle Sam sell your house to get it's money back,hmmmm?
 

He's complaining that they aren't willing to keep taking a loss doing business with him... any loss that they take would be coming out of the taxpayers money because Chrysler no longer has any money.  He can STILL sell the cars he has... NEW TO CUSTOMERS EVEN!  No one is repoing the cars, and there is no reason he can't sell the cars to customers... This guy was just feeding you a pack of lies about not being able to sell them as new due to warranty issues.  He's lying to you because he wants your money... and you're eating it up!  What is so hard to understand about what's going on here? 

Your analogy about the bank and house bear absolutely no resemblance to this situation.  He is only losing his ability to buy more new vehicles (at a loss) from Chrysler as well as the ability to get reimbursed for repairs done as warranty work for Chrysler vehicles.  No one is taking his existing inventory, no one is even taking his right to sell his existing inventory, or even his business liscense.

I really should have gone into sales.  If people are this easily fooled by anyone asking for money... I could have made billions.
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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2009, 07:10:49 AM »

read the letter. Is he supposed to fund a dying Dodge dealership with Isuzu sales? I guess he could deplete his (vast personal wealth?) to pay the financing on the cars he can't sell anymore. Nevermind - this isn't really as much pity for a capitalist as disdain on the franchise  - as someone else pointed out they're closing his summarily and GIVING IT to someone else.

New car dealerships don't finance their own vehicles, nor are they solely reliant upon GMAC for financing... there are literally hundreds of banks that will finance vehicle purchases for their potential customers.  There is absolutely no reason he can not sell those vehicles... furthermore, they aren't giving his franchise to anyone else... that's another lie you people are all too willing to swallow... there is already another dealership in that area, they are simply cutting off one of those two, and his was that one.

But oh well, it doesn't really matter... if you want to give him your money... go ahead and write him a check.  Just stop asking me to give my money to him.  I'm not going to and I'm not going to feel bad about not giving my money to that bum either.  If you feel so badly for him, write him a check out of your own account, just stop trying to spend my tax dollars on bums.
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« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2009, 07:21:58 AM »

I don't want to give him,Chrysler or GM any money. The UAW is the only reason the bailout was given,and the fact the government could more easily mandate what these companies build.I was a proponent of let the companies go through normal bankruptcy procedures. the government getting involved in running private business is a bad deal.

How is Chrysler taking a loss on inventory this guy owns? He has paid Chrysler for it ,he is paying employee wages,he owns the property. Where is Chryslers loss at his dealership?

My analogy is correct:
Every thing this man has is bought and paid for and the government is in effect taking it away.
 And no he cant sell cars as a new car dealership once the franchise has been pulled.And who wants to buy a new car from a dealer that can not perform the factory warranty work?
They took away something he paid a lot of money for. manufacturers don't give away franchises. He paid for his franchise and it was taken away without compensation.Unless he did not meet his obligation to Chrysler it was a breech of contract.How do you know thwey didn't sell a franchise to a more promising area?If they pull his and sell one anywhere else they have basically stolen it.
 You keep saying he wants taxpayer money,I think his point was they shouldn't be able to take away personal property,and yes a franchise is personal property once you pay for it. It can be sold like any other property or license.
 And as far as parts inventory,Chrysler makes you maintain the high dollar inventories,so if they have broken the contract they should have to buy back mandated parts inventory.
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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2009, 07:45:23 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2009, 08:29:06 AM »

He has a dealership... no one is taking his dealership away from him, Chrysler is simply no longer doing business with him... Once again, no one is taking away this guys land, his vehicles, his business liscense, his parts, or his employees... They are simply taking away his relationship with Chrysler that was taking a loss on the vehicles they were selling him.

I know what you all are thinking... "I can't believe SgtMaj would be so silly as to think that a car salesman wouldn't be totally honest... next thing you know he'll be telling us that lawyers and politicians aren't pillars of honesty either."  Well guess what?  They're not. 
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« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2009, 08:58:02 AM »

"My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars.  This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work." -excerpted from the letter above - verbatim.

durr durr durr duur.

oh, he's lying. scientists tell the truth, businessmen lie. I get it.  rolleyes
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« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2009, 10:01:49 AM »

Yeah, the durr durr durr bit pretty much sums up what I think is actually your line of thinking here... I'm mean, it's incredibly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it's a complete load of horsecrap. 

But, just to give you a fair shot... explain why he wouldn't be able to sell them as new vehicles, if you can do that... hell if you could even give me ONE reason why he might not be able to, I'll admit publicly that I'm a complete dumbass and that you are my superior.  Oh, and taking his word for it, doesn't count as a reason.  He's lying, just like car salesmen are FAMOUS for doing.  It's obvious why, because there's a sucker born every minute that's willing to believe them...  rolleyes
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