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« Reply #120 on: June 10, 2009, 01:03:12 AM »

i especially like the "when things are getting better" part!

you are right brian.  i should have know better than to ask for specifics.
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« Reply #121 on: June 10, 2009, 01:10:38 AM »

i especially like the "when things are getting better" part!

you are right brian.  i should have know better than to ask for specifics.

That's right... if the people in power improve from election to election, things are getting better... but of course if you believe Obama is worse than Bush you wouldn't have the same belief that things are getting better.
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« Reply #122 on: June 10, 2009, 01:19:56 AM »

perhaps you could give some examples of things that are better.

you have plenty of time.  i'll check back tomorrow.  do try to be specific.  "the world loves us now" is not really an example, just as an example.
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« Reply #123 on: June 10, 2009, 01:20:21 AM »

i especially like the "when things are getting better" part!

you are right brian.  i should have know better than to ask for specifics.

That's right... if the people in power improve from election to election, things are getting better... but of course if you believe Obama is worse than Bush you wouldn't have the same belief that things are getting better.

Bush abused his power as President, Obama is now doing the same thing, how does that make Obama better than Bush?
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« Reply #124 on: June 10, 2009, 01:28:06 AM »

Does not really matter who is in power or what they are doing, somebody somewhere is going to hate us
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« Reply #125 on: June 10, 2009, 02:23:51 AM »

perhaps you could give some examples of things that are better.

you have plenty of time.  i'll check back tomorrow.  do try to be specific.  "the world loves us now" is not really an example, just as an example.


The person in the oval office is better, in every aspect I can think of.  That, in and of itself, is an improvement. 

Are you really surprised that we have a difference of opinion on this?
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« Reply #126 on: June 10, 2009, 06:54:23 AM »

It doesn't surprise me a bit that you alone hold that opinion here.  What does surprise me is anyone is happy with the crumbling of the great United States of America - but it shouldn't surprise me, it's people like you who will let it all slip away.
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« Reply #127 on: June 10, 2009, 07:20:06 AM »

It doesn't surprise me a bit that you alone hold that opinion here.  What does surprise me is anyone is happy with the crumbling of the great United States of America - but it shouldn't surprise me, it's people like you who will let it all slip away.

You're absolutely right... I'm one of the idiots that voted for Bush both times.  At least I've learned from my mistake.

But it does also surprises me that 22% of the population still approved of the job he was doing (taking down the USA obviously) at the end of his second term.

Of course it doesn't surprise me that I'm the only one willing to express a differing opinion around here.
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« Reply #128 on: June 10, 2009, 07:53:26 AM »


The person in the oval office is better, in every aspect I can think of.  That, in and of itself, is an improvement. 


I agree, its true.

Obama has already stopped global warming!!!

<sigh> I'm sure longing for summer.  I like spring but not this long....
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« Reply #129 on: June 10, 2009, 08:45:12 AM »


The person in the oval office is better, in every aspect I can think of.  That, in and of itself, is an improvement. 


What EXACTLY do you like?  What has Obama done SPECIFICALLY?

Not being Bush isn't an answer.  Until you can answer that, I mark you a sufferer of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).
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« Reply #130 on: June 10, 2009, 09:38:21 AM »

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You're absolutely right... I'm one of the idiots that voted for Bush both times.  At least I've learned from my mistake.

wouldn't even begin to try to defend bush to you.  i doubt you could tell me specifically what you didn't like about him programs since you can't tell us specifically what you like about obama.  i do remember what the choice was.  if nothing else, we should be happy that we did not get gore of kerry.  those six years of unprecedented growth would not have happened under either.  we would have had obama lite for those years.

"he is not....."  brought on things like the russian revolution, french revolution, and election of the german socialist party.  there should be a better reason for changing direction radically.  if there is not, the results can be less than what you hope.
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« Reply #131 on: June 10, 2009, 10:37:28 AM »

The person in the oval office is better, in every aspect I can think of.  That, in and of itself, is an improvement. 
Well at least everyone in the Bush family can testify that he was a "natural born" Citizen...Barry cannot let his Kenyan Grandmother publicly answer that question again. She has already stated that he was born in Kenya, which renders the current occupant as ineligible to hold the office, per the requirements in the Constitution. And that is in addition to the attempts by thr narcissistic bonehead to implement almost every idea from the Works of Karl Marx.

The "Best man for the job" hasn't even been allowed to be on the ballot in something like 150 years or so, so it's no wonder that G.W. Bush could not reach the level of "great". We ought to outlaw politicians from holding office.
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« Reply #132 on: June 10, 2009, 02:38:42 PM »

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You're absolutely right... I'm one of the idiots that voted for Bush both times.  At least I've learned from my mistake.


wouldn't even begin to try to defend bush to you.  i doubt you could tell me specifically what you didn't like about him programs since you can't tell us specifically what you like about obama.  i do remember what the choice was.  if nothing else, we should be happy that we did not get gore of kerry.  those six years of unprecedented growth would not have happened under either.  we would have had obama lite for those years.


It wouldn't do any good because we have fundamental differences in what we believe are good and bad about government...

That being said, I dispise Bush because he took away more constitutional rights than any single president before him.  The patriot act should have been renamed the destroy freedom act.  Bush inherited a growing economy, and immediately began slowing it down and eventually turned it into a recession.  Bush undermined our national security by not allowing this country to free itself from foreign oil imports, and getting us into the quagmire he was warned about in Iraq... all the while completely ignoring the problems rising in Iran and N. Korea.  He possibly even helped push those problems along by cutting off any way for those countries' leaders to back down AND save face in front of their own people.  The national debt more than doubled under his watch after he inherrited a surplus.  We will each have to pay an additional $33,000 to pay down the debt he racked up. Six years of unprecedented growth happened under Clinton, not Bush

If anybody brought down this country, it was Bush.  He undermined our freedoms and absolutely destroyed us financially.  So yes, anybody but Bush... and the fewer the similarities to Bush, the better.  McCain won the nomination because at the time he was not backed by, nor backing Bush.  That changed after the nomination which is one reason he lost.  This picture made more Americans disgusted with McCain than Palin ever could have...



But if there's one thing Bush will always be remembered for, it's for letting his big oil buddies fleece the American people.  Remember this?



And I suppose you don't even want me to go into how 9-11 happened on their watch, or how they manipulated the intelligence process afterward to falsify the intel this country got by doing things like exposing CIA operatives or standing over the shoulders of intel techs. 

You probably also don't want me to go into how he stocked government positions not with well qualified persons, but with his underqualified friends, who then totaly botched things like the FEMA Katrina response.  First they just forgot about some 25,000 people in an arena... left them there without food or water for nearly a week... then they provided trailers that were "unfit for human habitation". 

So please Bodo, do count me as a a sufferer of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome)... because I would vote for Satan himself before I could bring myself to vote for anyone that thought Bush did even a remotely decent job.
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« Reply #133 on: June 10, 2009, 02:46:49 PM »

everything you said about bush is wrong except for the debt.  straight off huffington post.  at least you gave details this time.  points for that even if you are wrong.
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« Reply #134 on: June 10, 2009, 02:53:25 PM »

That being said, I dispise Bush because he took away more constitutional rights than any single president before him. 
LOL. Name one. Lincoln, on the other hand....

 
  Bush inherited a growing economy,
Thanks to Clinton being saddled with a Republican Majority in Congress

 
and immediately began slowing it down and eventually turned it into a recession. 
Thanks to his being saddled with a Tax and Spend Democratic Congress. you have to remember that it is Congress that holds the purse strings, not the Pres.

Bush undermined our national security by not allowing this country to free itself from foreign oil imports, and getting us into the quagmire he was warned about in Iraq... all the while completely ignoring the problems rising in Iran and N. Korea. 
My sources in the military present different reports. He at least did something in response to terrorist actions other than cry to the UN like Clinton did. Clintons INACTION did much more harm.

He possibly even helped push those problems along by cutting off any way for those countries' leaders to back down AND save face in front of their own people. 
Again, after years of Clinton's inaction, very little choice was left.

The national debt more than doubled under his watch after he inherited a surplus.  We will each have to pay an additional $33,000 to pay down the debt he racked up. Six years of unprecedented growth happened under Clinton, not Bush.
Again, look to who was in control of Congress at the times.


because I would vote for Satan himself before I could bring myself to vote for anyone that thought Bush did even a remotely decent job.

I'm not real sure that you didn't do exactly that.
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« Reply #135 on: June 10, 2009, 03:05:32 PM »

bush actually inherited a declining economy.  by the end of the clintion admin, it was going down hill.  by '98 everyone who was an investor could see trouble coming.  9/11 pushed it further.  it is very true that congress overspent.  the Republican congress, reveling in increased revenue from a booming economy (under bush), did no better than the democrats before....however, the congress that has been in control the last couple of years has broken all records, and they are majority democrats.

usually, there are limited things that presidents can do to help or harm an economy.  whatever a president wants to do, congress will have a hand in it getting done or not.  what bush was able to do was get taxes lowered.  in all instances in history, lowering taxes has led to increased prosperity and increased revenue to government.  unfortunately, when congress does not restrain spending, that increased revenue is spent on crap.  my own state had revenue excess that it had never seen before, but spent it all and more.  now they want to (guess what?) raise taxes to cover all of the programs that they expanded during the good times and can no longer pay for.
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« Reply #136 on: June 10, 2009, 10:29:22 PM »

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That being said, I dispise Bush because he took away more constitutional rights than any single president before him. 

Except for Lincoln, but let's wait, Obama hasn't been in office but a few months....what will his record be if he lasts 2 terms?  At the rate he's going it will be more than Bush and maybe even more than Honest Abe.
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« Reply #137 on: June 10, 2009, 10:54:33 PM »

and lets not forget FDR.  he did some stuff that was clearly unconstitutional in the name of keeping the country safe.
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« Reply #138 on: June 11, 2009, 08:42:10 AM »

So please Bodo, do count me as a a sufferer of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome)... because I would vote for Satan himself before I could bring myself to vote for anyone that thought Bush did even a remotely decent job.

Ha ha, you and a bunch of million people did a few months ago!  You do know that Satan is a really nice guy, don't you?
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« Reply #139 on: June 11, 2009, 08:45:50 AM »


And I suppose you don't even want me to go into how 9-11 happened on their watch, or how they manipulated the intelligence process afterward to falsify the intel this country got by doing things like exposing CIA operatives or standing over the shoulders of intel techs. 


Yessirree! The reason they never found Bin Laden is that he was in Washington, and now lives in Texas!  We all know that Bin Laden is really Bush, and that Bush was responsible for all that 9-11 stuff!! He did it just so that he could remove all of our freedoms! Hahaha! 
Bush also arranged for the earth to heat up!  Is there anything that the guy DIDN"T do???
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