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« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2009, 10:54:27 AM »

the only thing in all those lists that the federal government (ours) is mandated by the constitution  to do, is provide for the common defense.  everything else should be left to the states. 
it is not the feds job to educate your kids, build your roads, or post your speed limits, yet they do all these things.  it is not their job to pull you off your roof in a flood, or rebuild your city after a hurricane, yet we have come to expect that they will.

jerrymac is right.  we have gotten what we asked for........

imagine how quickly government would shrink if states had to decide what was important and what was not, and had to do it with their own money!
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?

– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2009, 11:05:04 AM »

weren't there some governors who refused the recent rounds of Federal monies? if I got the story straight they were essentially 'forced' to accept the funds, and the mandates that come with them. There's a very old saying about taking the devils money, but I honestly can't remember it.
The bottom line is I think those governors who tried to refuse the money believed that accepting the funds was a consent to the usurpation of states rights.
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« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2009, 11:31:03 AM »

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funds was a consent to the usurpation of states rights.

the federal funds came with strings.  the money was to be used to support and expand certain programs.  one of the big problems was that the states would be forced to take over the added expenses when the federal money ran out...or reduce those programs again when the federal money ran out.  it is a short sighted "fix" that will leave the states in worse money trouble when it ends.  hate to sound cynical, but i don't think this coming problem is an oversight on the part of the feds.  when the state can't support the expanded programs, it gives the feds another excuse to step in a further erode state autonomy.

in states like mine, there will be no protest.  better to hand it all to the feds than to actually govern your own state and spending.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?

– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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