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« on: May 26, 2009, 01:59:56 PM »

Do you know the preamble of your state?
 
 

President Barack Obama said in Turkey : "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."
 
I  found this very interesting.  
Do you know the Preamble for your state? . .  

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Alabama 1901, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Alabama, invoking
the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.

Alaska 1956, Preamble:  We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.

Arkansas 1874, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government.

California 1879, Preamble:  We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.

Colorado 1876, Preamble:  We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

Connecticut  1818, Preamble:  The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in  permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware 1897, Preamble:  Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.

Florida 1885, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution.

Georgia 1777, Preamble:  We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

Hawaii 1959, Preamble:  We, the people of Hawaii,  Grateful for Divine Guidance...... Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois 1870, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, Preamble:  We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble:  We, the People of the St ate of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.

Kansas 1859, Preamble:  We, the people of Kansas,  grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble:  We, the people of the Commonwealth, are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties.

Louisiana 1921, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine 1820, Preamble:  We, the People of Maine, acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity......
And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland 1776, Preamble:  We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty.

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble:  We, the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction.
  
Michigan 1908, Preamble:   We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings.

Mississippi 1890, Preamble:  We, the people of Mississippi, in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble:  We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness establish this Constitution.

Montana 1889, Preamble:  We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution.
 
Nebraska 1875, Preamble:  We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution.

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V:  Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble:  We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty.

New York 1846, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

 North Carolina 1868, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those.

North Dakota 1889, Preamble:  We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain.

Ohio 1852, Preamble:  We, the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble:  Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this Constitution.

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I, Section 2:  All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences.

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble:  We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble:  We, the People of the State of Rhode Island, grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing.

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble:  We, the people of he State of South Carolina, grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble:  We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties .

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI. III:  That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience.

Texas 1845, Preamble:  We, the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah 1896, Preamble:  Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble:  Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI:  Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other.

Washington 1889, Preamble:  We, the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.

West Virginia 1872, Preamble:  Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia, reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble:  We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility.

Wyoming 1890, Preamble:  We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution.
  
After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!  

(Please note that at no time is anyone told that they MUST worship God.)

GOD BLESS AMERICA!


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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 02:54:58 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 03:03:44 PM »

you need only read the writings of the founders to understand the basis of our constitution and laws.  i believe that one of the reasons civics and government do not teach with the writings of the founders is because god is mentioned in many of their papers.  if you do not understand the thoughts of the founders, how can you understand the constitution?
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 03:39:54 PM »

Read 'The 5000 Year Leap'.  It is a wonderful look at the founding of this country.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 04:35:35 PM »

 We don't consider Barack Obama to be Our President
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 05:16:23 PM »

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President Barack Obama said in Turkey : "We do not consider ourselves.....
What chu mean "WE" there.......

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 05:53:49 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 10:11:20 PM »

So which God were those referring to?  The Christian God, the Jewish God, the Muslim God? 

I like TN's preamble... "right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience."...

Might as well say: "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values (Added) such as the right to worship whichever God the individual chooses to."

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 10:20:05 PM »

So which God were those referring to?  The Christian God, the Jewish God, the Muslim God? 

I like TN's preamble... "right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience."...

Might as well say: "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values (Added) such as the right to worship whichever God the individual chooses to."



Sorry to split hairs, but is the highlighted bit a deleted portion of the actual speech, or an addition of you own?
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 10:23:18 PM »

So which God were those referring to?  The Christian God, the Jewish God, the Muslim God? 

I like TN's preamble... "right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience."...

Might as well say: "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values (Added) such as the right to worship whichever God the individual chooses to."



Sorry to split hairs, but is the highlighted bit a deleted portion of the actual speech, or an addition of you own?


My Own.  I'll go back and revise to make that more clear.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 10:23:45 PM »

So which God were those referring to?  The Christian God, the Jewish God, the Muslim God? 

I like TN's preamble... "right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience."...

Might as well say: "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values (Added by SgtMaj) such as the right to worship whichever God the individual chooses to."


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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 10:26:32 PM »

I wasn't trying to be sneaky, but sometimes the omissions tell as much as the inclusions - maybe very often.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 10:32:05 PM »

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So which God were those referring to?

which is why it's so important to know and understand history.

the founding principles were judeo-christian. while they (the founders) recognized and supported the right to worship as one saw fit, the principles of government were based in the 10 commandments, and christian principles.  they wrote endlessly about it.  it would not hurt you to study up.

the states had the right to do as they pleased about religion.  there is no prohibition in the constitution against states establishing a state church, or basing laws in religion.  
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 11:18:04 PM »

So which God were those referring to?  The Christian God, the Jewish God, the Muslim God? 

Refer to the fable of "Three Blind Men and the Elephant" and remember that all "3" refer to the "God of Abraham". The "Muslim split" occured with Ishmael.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 11:22:03 PM »

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which is why it's so important to know and understand history.

the founding principles were judeo-christian. while they (the founders) recognized and supported the right to worship as one saw fit, the principles of government were based in the 10 commandments, and christian principles.  they wrote endlessly about it.  it would not hurt you to study up.

The part that's glowing in red there... yeah, that's my point.

the states had the right to do as they pleased about religion.  there is no prohibition in the constitution against states establishing a state church, or basing laws in religion.  

I'm not so sure about that... there was that letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state.  Now either Jefferson didn't know the constitution very well, or he knew exactly what it said and meant and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution creats a "wall of separation" between church and state... I'm betting on the latter.

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 11:44:59 PM »

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I'm not so sure about that... there was that letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state.  Now either Jefferson didn't know the constitution very well, or he knew exactly what it said and meant and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution creats a "wall of separation" between church and state... I'm betting on the latter.


you would bet wrong.  in order to understand jeffersons letter, you have to understand the letter to which he was replying.
http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/baptist.htm

if you read the 1st amendment:   Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

it only directs the congress to make no law establishing religion and no law  interfering with it.  it has nothing to do with states.  it was written to protect the country from a church of england type of scenario.  a national church.  it was not written to protect the country from religious practices, references, etc.

10th amendment:  The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

most of the original colonies had official churches that were supported by the residents and some in some, a tax was levied to support the church.  some of those official references were not eliminated until much after the colonies became states.  while most had or later adopted in their constitutions the concept of religious freedom, the separate religious practices were one of the things that separated the colonies.  this continued to be true after statehood.


 
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 12:18:50 AM »

But now we have the 14th...

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 03:48:48 AM »

Yup, Still gonna have to side with Jefferson on this one.
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 07:08:09 AM »

OK, SgtMaj.  Going to help you out.  Here is the main point of the letter:

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It is not to be wondered at therefore; if those who seek

after power and gain under the pretense of government and

religion should reproach their fellow men--should reproach their

order magistrate, as a enemy of religion, law, and good order,

because he will not, dare not, assume the prerogatives of Jehovah

and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ.

They were afraid that govt would meddle in the world of religion.  Jefferson's 'Wall' was to keep the Federal Govt out of Religion.  That is all.  It doesn't keep religion out of govt, nor does it say anything about the States.


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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 07:34:50 AM »

Freedom of religion was to be protected, they weren't trying to prevent religion in any way - which is where we are now.  The inability of people to follow history, and their willingness to misinterpret what happened, continues to amaze me.  I agree with Jefferson, too, but for the reasoning he was using, not for the perverted version that's being used now.
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