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Author Topic: Scolars Ask President to Rethink Sending Wreath to Confederate Monument  (Read 525 times)
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« on: May 25, 2009, 08:52:34 PM »

President Obama Placed a wreath there anyway and one at the Black soldier  monument.
Its kinda long But worth the read anyway.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7658404&page=1
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"The flags of the Confederate States of America were very important and a matter of great pride to those citizens living in the Confederacy. They are also a matter of great pride for their descendants as part of their heritage and history."
Winston Churchill


Quote from chronicle of  Marcus Lucanus of the Roman civil war: Caesar said :
"Here I abandoned peace and desecrated law; fortune it is you I follow. Farewell to treaties. From now on war is our judge!
Caesar men cheered :
" Hail Caesar! We who are about to die salute you!
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 09:26:21 PM »

interesting article.  thanks for sharing it!
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 09:46:12 PM »

when Lincoln gave the Gettysburg address he didn't specify which men he was honoring - the speech has been analyzed later to be tailored to be (graciously short - lots of politickers could take a lesson from that) geared to honor the men who fought on both sides.
" But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract."

I don't want to paste the whole speech, but there were quite a few people pretty ticked that he didn't give a speech to the effect of "we sure whupped them confederates good" - he wanted the country to remain united and wouldn't speak ill of the confederates for believeing differently.
(As a side note, the southern name "The war of Northern Aggression" was probably more accurate; they were legally permitted by the constitution to secede. and as much as the war has been made to be believed to be about freeing slaves - it was about unfair interstate  trade and the prevention of the south from marketing it's products internationally. Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation after secession - legally the same as us telling Germany  - anything)
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 10:14:43 PM »

lincoln was pretty much the 1st one to throw the constitution over for the sake of the country and war.  guess those points can be argued over and over.  sometimes when you separate the legal argument from the moral one, you end up with two completely different points of view...


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and as much as the war has been made to be believed to be about freeing slaves - it was about unfair interstate  trade and the prevention of the south from marketing it's products internationally. Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation after secession - legally the same as us telling Germany  - anything)


true.  slavery was pretty much on the way out already.  as industry grew in the north and there were the beginnings of mechanized farming practices, keeping slaves was becoming less cost effective.  also, the black slave trade was drying up along with the white slave trade from europe.  it was even harder to come by indentured servants as travel became easier and ships more frequent. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
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