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« on: May 08, 2009, 03:33:10 PM »

Free markets will find a way. Let the bad companies fail, some will change, and others will prospur


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CHICAGO —  Pete Ostrander and the manufacturer he works for took a hard look at the auto industry four years ago, and neither liked what they saw.

Automakers were pushing vendors like Merrill Technologies Group, where Ostrander works, to cut costs and, with the economic environment in Detroit worsening by the day, the company retooled itself as a supplier to what it believed was an industry with better prospects.

Ostrander, standing in a display booth at one of the wind industry's biggest gatherings, was not alone.

Merrill is among dozens of companies at the American Wind Energy Association conference in Chicago that have their traded auto-related business for a niche in wind-power.

"We have seen these indicators for years," Ostrander, an engineer, said of the auto industry. "They needed to clean up their own closets."

With the economy's tailspin, General Motors, Chrysler and Ford have laid off tens of thousands of workers, and Chrysler last week filed for bankruptcy protection. The problems have rippled through a support network that includes thousands of auto parts makers and other suppliers.

According to the Motor Equipment Manufacturers Association, a trade group for auto industry suppliers, more than a third of such companies say in industry polling that they are in deep financial trouble. More than 40 of them entered bankruptcy last year.

"If you walk that floor, what you will see is that many, many companies — a lot of the small companies — have come from the automotive supply chain," Don Furman, president of the wind industry organization's board, said at the conference.

AWEA's meeting drew 21,000 people and roughly 1,200 exhibitors.

Sales reps for several of those companies spent the week at a convention booth sponsored by the state of Michigan, ground zero in the auto industry meltdown.

About 700 Michigan manufacturers now do wind-industry work. Most of them either have been — or in some cases still are — auto industry suppliers, said Frank Ferro, the international business development manager for the Michigan Economic Development Corporation.

In neighboring Ohio, the state Department of Economic Development can count more than 500 companies it says are active in the wind industry supply chain or entering the business. Most of them are either hedging their bets on their auto industry work or leaving it behind, said Kimberly Gibson, energy adviser to Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland.

"Ohio's been bleeding jobs for the last eight years," she said. "The wind industry gives (manufacturers) a chance to diversify."

The shift to the wind industry was a natural for many, Ferro said. While parts for wind turbines can be much larger, the process of making them is much the same.

That's not to say it's been an easy choice for suppliers.

"How do you ever leave GM? How do you ever leave these customers that were this powerful?" asked Jeff Metts, president of Dowding Machining in Eaton Rapids, Mich. "I think a lot of suppliers struggle with that."

Parent company Dowding Industries began cutting back on the metal stamping and other work it did for the auto industry in 2000 before moving into wind-related work two years ago, Metts said.

Now, about 30 of Dowding Machining's 140 employees do wind-related work. Metts thinks that number will grow substantially.

"I personally feel — and some people might think I'm nuts — I think we can employ about 5,000 people in Michigan in this wind industry business," he said, laying out long-term plans for multiple facilities dedicated to wind-turbine production.

Wind-related work still accounts for less than 10 percent of Merrill Technologies' business, Ostrander said.

"But I would expect that's going to ramp up very quickly to potentially something in the neighborhood of 20 percent," he said.

Merrill, based in Saginaw, Mich., has about 400 employees and, even though it's no longer directly connected to the struggling auto industry, that's down from about 450, Ostrander said.

The wind industry is not immune to recession and many manufacturers have announced layoffs in recent months.

But Ostrander said that Merrill is doing relatively well compared to suppliers that still rely heavily on Detroit.

"Some of them are not prepared for this whatsoever," Ostrander said. "It's scary."

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2009, 03:41:47 PM »

the system works if you let it.  when things are needed, companies step up and supply something to fill the need.  they don't do it for the good of the needy, the do it for PROFIT.  no company can survive on good will.  no company can survive if they fill a need at a loss.

supply and demand....or rather demand and supply, is a pretty simple concept.

whatever we need or want, the free market can provide.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2009, 04:35:31 PM »

If the government had kept their hands off, it would have been a rough ride for awhile, companies would have failed, and others would step in to fill the void, people who were buying home that they could not afford would have lost them (as they are anyway) and those living on credit would have been forced to adopt a more sensible lifestyle and live within their means, and we, the taxpayers, would be in much less debt than we are today.
As it stands, I believe we are in for a long period of uncertainty and instability.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2009, 05:00:18 PM »

a lot of people attribute the greatness of the greatest generation to ww2.  i think it had more to do with the depression.  people learned to make do without, appreciate what they had, and work really hard for what they needed.  it was a re-boot after the excesses of the 20s.  it is exactly what we need now, but will not get.  i would never wish disaster on someone, but neither do i consider saving them from disaster by taking from others, a reasonable solution.  a compassionate people care for those who can not care for themselves.   stupid people care for those who will not care for themselves, by destroying the success of others.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2009, 08:00:17 PM »

See, they couldn't let the companies fail, because their friends, and friends of friends, stood to lose too much money - so they had to make sure everyone at the top could get their goods out before it all collapsed.  Cynical, I know, but it's the way I see it.  The corruption at the top trickles down throughout all of the business system.  Unless it's cleaned from the top down it'll never change.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2009, 08:31:40 PM »

i don't know if it's as much about the corruption as it is the aversion to failure of any kind.  we don't let kids fail in school, sports, etc.  we tell them that whatever they do, it's good.  they triedand that's all that counts.  how can you learn to deal  with failure if you are never allowed to fail?  the whole society has bought into the notion that failure is bad.  a company fails and everyone panics.

also, this gave the government cover to move closer to it's goal of socialism....and at this point, there is nothing else to call it.  they are taking control of private sector businesses and business decisions, expanding government programs to create more dependency, and openly discussing destroying private sector efforts in things like energy and medicine. they didn't cause the problems, but they are using them to further a far left agenda.  what they are doing certainly will not solve the problems.

...not that there was not corruption, but corruption usually will destroy the corrupt.  a free market system eventually demands results, or it ceases to support the industry that is not producing results.  the government does not care about results.  it cares about image.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2009, 06:32:55 AM »

No, Kathy, corruption will destroy everything.  I see it in business ethics, in the blind drive for profits at any cost, using questionable accounting methods, I call it Fast Eddy accounting.  Business has teken over as a 'person' (corporations are considered individuals in the eyes of the courts, after all).  I'm not denying the socialism effect, but it wouldn't be as 'effective' if honest was the rule and we weren't in so much trouble here.  I'm not blaming corruption for everything, but I do think it's at the heart of quite a few problems today.

People always want to bend the rules.  Now we all know how the more money you have the more people give you a wink, wink, nod, nod and look away when you're pushing limits on rules.  It's everywhere, the lack of respect, the lack of morals, that's corruption, too.  Anything goes, you have rights, you know!  That's what I'm talking about.
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