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« on: April 25, 2009, 12:33:35 PM »

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Obama: Give me ideas on tightening federal belt
By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – Think you can do better than your federal boss? President Barack Obama wants to know how.

Obama on Saturday announced a plan for federal workers to propose ways to improve their agencies' and departments' budgets. The president said employees' ideas would be key as his Cabinet officials try to cut millions from the budget and trim the deficit.

"After all, Americans across the country know that the best ideas often come from workers, not just management," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address. "That's why we'll establish a process through which every government worker can submit their ideas for how their agency can save money and perform better. We'll put the suggestions that work into practice."

Obama's pitch comes at the end of a week focused on federal spending. On Friday, Democrats in Congress neared a deal on Obama's budget proposal and inched closer to passing a bill that would result in some $500 billion in deficits.

To confront that perception, Obama earlier in the week ordered officials to identify $100 million in savings to achieve over time — a relative pittance against the broader plan, his aides later acknowledged.

"Earlier this week, I held my first Cabinet meeting and sent a clear message: cut what doesn't work. Already, we've identified substantial savings," Obama said. "And in the days and weeks ahead, we will continue going through the budget line by line, and we'll identify more than 100 programs that will be cut or eliminated."

Obama said his administration would make $2 trillion in deficit reductions in the next decade, a pledge he has made repeatedly during his first three months in office. He also said he wants to re-evaluate priorities in the capital and urged Congress to pass legislation that would force lawmakers to pay for new policies and avoid large deficits. He also told agencies they could keep a part of the money they save.

"So much of our government was built to deal with different challenges from a different era," said Obama, noting that he took office facing a $1.3 billion budget deficit.

"Too often, the result is wasteful spending, bloated programs and inefficient results."
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 01:00:32 PM »

Oh, I hope they start by eliminating the use it or lose it approach to budgets for the various departments.  I think that more than anything results in the most waste.  I'd rather see a use it or a portion of it goes into a slush fund for the department and the next budget remains the same, or even a use it or get half of the excess back in bonuses.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2009, 01:54:18 PM »

the premise is wrong.  it's not about cutting waste from programs.  it's about cutting programs altogether.  most of the federal departments are completely unconstitutional.  Dept's of education, health and human services, EPA, etc., have no place in the federal budget in the first place.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2009, 03:51:39 PM »

the premise is wrong.  it's not about cutting waste from programs.  it's about cutting programs altogether.  most of the federal departments are completely unconstitutional.  Dept's of education, health and human services, EPA, etc., have no place in the federal budget in the first place.

That may be, but I doubt you'll find a politician that's been in office at the federal level at any time in the last few decades that would consider cutting the government back to what it was originally.  This is at least an improvement over previous administrations.
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2009, 07:37:32 PM »

the premise is wrong.  it's not about cutting waste from programs.  it's about cutting programs altogether.  most of the federal departments are completely unconstitutional.  Dept's of education, health and human services, EPA, etc., have no place in the federal budget in the first place.

That may be, but I doubt you'll find a politician that's been in office at the federal level at any time in the last few decades that would consider cutting the government back to what it was originally.  This is at least an improvement over previous administrations.
What's an improvement, the Obama administration?  Are you kidding?  It's way more of the same.  To the nth degree.  Bush was out of control fiscally, and Obama doesn't even have the words fiscal responsibility in his dictionary!  rolleyes
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 01:12:16 AM »

... and yet, here he is finding ways to cut the budget without major impact... sure seems like an improvement to me.

I do think the fear of our new president is hillarious though.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 07:17:15 AM »

I agree with you kathyp most of the programs need to be cut altogether. IMO the only way we American citizens are going to change things is to vote EVERY politician out of office and start with new ones.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2009, 09:35:44 AM »

I agree with you kathyp most of the programs need to be cut altogether. IMO the only way we American citizens are going to change things is to vote EVERY politician out of office and start with new ones.

There it is again. I have heard this same thing for as long as I can remember. But here is the problem. There seems to be a majority of people that don't pay attention to what is really going on and yet feel it is their obligated American duty to vote. So they go to the polls and vote along the same old party lines and for any name that sounds familiar.

a real change will happen when there are no political parties and term limits for all of them that are voted into any office. Now what's the chances of that happening?  rolleyes
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2009, 09:42:19 AM »

... and yet, here he is finding ways to cut the budget without major impact... sure seems like an improvement to me.
Oh, yea, that's right, he's taxing those evil rich people to balance things out.  Great plan.  Why bother making money, if Barack is going to take it from you?

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It's great you are so easily amused - but after all, it's about feelings, isn't it?  We can't let fact and logic cloud our view of feeling good.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2009, 02:13:10 PM »

don't get spun up reinbeau.  sarge told me he's a conservative and called me a neocon.   grin  now that had me rolling on the floor........

jerrymac, what you say is true.  people don't pay attention.  it used to be that a lot of uninformed people was not such a big problem because those people didn't bother to vote anyway.  that has changed with groups like ACORN scooping up the uninformed, telling them how to vote, and driving them to the polling place....over and over again  smiley.

i don't know the answer except to keep having the conversation, hope that folks like those who attended and supported the tea parties keep having the conversation, and that we out vote the ACORN folks.  that's going to be hard when you have Soros funded campaigns and organizers out there in force.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2009, 04:53:11 PM »

Not to worry, Kathy, I'm not spun at all, it just amazes me sometimes.....you have had to develop that cool head under fire, I've never had that lesson  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2009, 05:42:01 PM »

i am looking for a nice gold (virtual) stud to put in the hole i chewed in my (virtual) tongue  evil
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2009, 11:37:47 PM »

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... and yet, here he is finding ways to cut the budget without major impact... sure seems like an improvement to me.
Oh, yea, that's right, he's taxing those evil rich people to balance things out.  Great plan.  Why bother making money, if Barack is going to take it from you?

Right, and the alternative is to do what, tax the poor more?  Have you taken stock of our current economic situation?  We're in the crap we're in because Joe the Plumber doesn't have the money to pay the mortgage... I fail to see how taxing him more would help.  But then again, I'm also not the financial "genius" that GWB who got us into this mess after inheriting a huge surplus and soaring economy is.

Perhaps your plan is to just keep racking up more debt for someone else to pay sometime in the future... Try that with your bills and see how long it takes people to stop lending you money once they realize you can't pay your bills anymore.  Or maybe you just think we should make inflation soar by printing all the money we need... devalue the dollar and eventually we'll be using million-dollar bills like Zimbabwe, because that plan sure worked well for them.   rolleyes

I suggest that if you ever want your party to win another election, you contact them and tell them to come up with a real financial plan that people of average intelligence can't debunk.  If even the average person can see your financial plans would fail, you're not going to have a shot in hell of winning the next election either.

And I'm really sure that having to pay an extra percent or two of your earnings is really going to prevent anyone from going ahead and making an extra $250,000. rolleyes Oh yeah... they also get a break on their taxes already because SS stops at $97,500, everything over the top of that doesn't get taxed for Social Security.

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Riiighht... because all this fear mongering is REALLY about facts... LOOK OUT, THERE'S a BLACK MAN BEHIND YOU!  ROTFL!!!!   lau

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2009, 11:45:56 PM »

I agree with you kathyp most of the programs need to be cut altogether. IMO the only way we American citizens are going to change things is to vote EVERY politician out of office and start with new ones.

There it is again. I have heard this same thing for as long as I can remember. But here is the problem. There seems to be a majority of people that don't pay attention to what is really going on and yet feel it is their obligated American duty to vote. So they go to the polls and vote along the same old party lines and for any name that sounds familiar.

a real change will happen when there are no political parties and term limits for all of them that are voted into any office. Now what's the chances of that happening?  rolleyes

Actually, the real problem is that you've got to choose between two (or more) politicians that are usually just as bad as the one you'd be replacing.  There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between, and those people always come off as unpolished and often get imbarrassed because they aren't used to being in the spotlight.  I think that was Palin's problem, but was also what I liked about her.  Had she not been running with McCain I think she would have at least recieved votes from the large contingint of people who wanted a change after GWB.  But I also don't know that the Republican party had a viable candidate to put up front that didn't make people think he or she was a career politician and that's ultimately why they lost this election. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 12:07:15 AM »

I agree with you kathyp most of the programs need to be cut altogether. IMO the only way we American citizens are going to change things is to vote EVERY politician out of office and start with new ones.

There it is again. I have heard this same thing for as long as I can remember. But here is the problem. There seems to be a majority of people that don't pay attention to what is really going on and yet feel it is their obligated American duty to vote. So they go to the polls and vote along the same old party lines and for any name that sounds familiar.

a real change will happen when there are no political parties and term limits for all of them that are voted into any office. Now what's the chances of that happening?  rolleyes

Actually, the real problem is that you've got to choose between two (or more) politicians that are usually just as bad as the one you'd be replacing.  There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between, and those people always come off as unpolished and often get imbarrassed because they aren't used to being in the spotlight.  I think that was Palin's problem, but was also what I liked about her.  Had she not been running with McCain I think she would have at least recieved votes from the large contingint of people who wanted a change after GWB.  But I also don't know that the Republican party had a viable candidate to put up front that didn't make people think he or she was a career politician and that's ultimately why they lost this election. 

If None Of The Above were ever printed on a ballot for an election he would win in a landslide.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2009, 12:21:26 AM »

I wasn't even talking about the president. It is amazing how everyone seems to think he runs the country all by himself. I think congress is in there somewhere. But I could be wrong as it is all GWB's fault and none of congress.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2009, 12:49:01 AM »

I wasn't even talking about the president. It is amazing how everyone seems to think he runs the country all by himself. I think congress is in there somewhere. But I could be wrong as it is all GWB's fault and none of congress.
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Ok, if you really think it'll help anything... let's blame the republican congress that was in for 75 percent of Bush's term.  Didn't help.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2009, 12:50:13 AM »

If None Of The Above were ever printed on a ballot for an election he would win in a landslide.

Got my vote.   grin
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2009, 08:44:09 AM »

... and yet, here he is finding ways to cut the budget without major impact... sure seems like an improvement to me.


Ha ha, how true!  That debt chart is going to see no impact (let alone a major impact) from his "budget cutting"!!

When you see a socialist shaking the hand of a communist, I think a little fear is in order.

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2009, 08:53:18 AM »

Ha ha, how true!  That dept chart is going to see no impact (let alone a major impact) from his "budget cutting"!!

True, he's not offering to cut whole departments, but neither was his opponent, nor was his opponent offering budget cuts of any kind.  In the end, all budget cuts affect my bottom line because ultimately as a taxpayer, it's my money they're taking for the budget.  If they cut the budget at all, it means less of my money will be taken in the future, and I like that.

When you see a socialist shaking the hand of a communist, I think a little fear is in order.

If that fear were applied evenly whenever that scenario occurred with leaders of this country, then I might be swayed to believe that is the root cause of it, but since it hasn't been, I doubt that's the real root of the fear.
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