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« on: April 25, 2009, 11:47:43 AM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N22820090425

this could get interesting.  good time to re-evaluate your survival kit......
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 12:03:46 PM »

Something I think would be nice to know is... Have these people always had flu shots? I wonder because I have never had a flu shot. If I ever had the flu I couldn't tell it from the common cold. Just wonder if it is possible to mess up the natural evolution of the immune system with artificial methods.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2009, 01:56:02 PM »

in this case, vaccinations have nothing to do with it.  this is a new strain of flu.  vaccinated or not, people will not have an immunity to this particular bug.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2009, 02:08:35 PM »

This always worries me because I work in a hospital setting where people come in to be registered for lab tests etc. with all sorts of symptoms.  I get coughed on all the time at work. In the 25 years since working there, I have only been sick a couple of times. 

Still very scary
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2009, 09:01:56 PM »

in this case, vaccinations have nothing to do with it.  this is a new strain of flu.  vaccinated or not, people will not have an immunity to this particular bug.

I know. But I was also under the impression that every year we have a different (evolved) strain and that is why the vaccines aren't all that affective and they can't keep up with the supply. Where as if a body's immune system was allowed to evolve naturally with the various evolutions of the virus it perhaps wouldn't be as devastating to as many people.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 02:05:40 PM »

CDC has the best info and you can do an RSS feed for the flu stuff.  i'm not to wound up on this yet, but there are some concerning things.  the thing that bothers me the most is that this is showing up at the end of flu season and in areas that should be past their flu season.  something to keep an eye on.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 11:56:01 PM »

I have 3 day survival kits in my vehicles, a years supply stocked away, another years supply on the hoof and in the ground, and then there is my survival gear.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 01:29:47 AM »

It is very strange seeing any flu concerns this late in the year.  I think it may be fortuneate that this particular strain is going around now instead of at the height of winter.  It won't be too long before the kids will be out of school for the summer, and I think that will really help inhibit the spread of it.  Next winter might be bad however... we'll see if they make a vaccine before then or not.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 08:45:22 AM »

It's a strange one in that it has swine, avian, and human DNA. Undecided
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 02:30:50 PM »

This was in my mailbox this morning.




From Pediatrician Dr. Jay Gordon on Swine Flu.

 

Just wash your hands.

 

Every year, hundreds of viruses pass through the pediatric and adult community. Many of the bugs are disruptive and keep kids out of school and adults away from work. Some of the viruses have unique signs and symptoms, but most just cause amorphous aches, sneezing, coughing or intestinal upset.

 

Influenza viruses, especially new ones, trigger more news stories and can be made to seem much more frightening and dangerous than they really are. Government agencies and media don't supply statistical context and make it sound like you've got a "fifty-fifty" chance of contracting this new virus. They then make it sound like a lot of people who get this influenza end up in the hospital and may die. Statistically, nothing could be further from the truth: The chance that the new virus is really dangerous is small. The chance that you'll get it is much, much smaller, and the possibility that you or a family member will be harmed by the virus is so slim that the news should be on page twenty, not page one.

 

Swine Flu is a virus for which there is no vaccine, no threat to your family and there are undoubtedly tens of thousands of harmless undiagnosed cases throughout the world. The news stories are probably taking a hundred questionable respiratory deaths in Mexico and guessing.

 

There actually is a very, very small chance that this virus could cause severe illness and whenever this occurs hospitalization and even fatalities are reported. The likelihood of a pandemic is miniscule, but newspapers, governments agencies and the manufacturers of pharmaceuticals do their best work and make their biggest sales when people are scared.

 

 

Tamiflu is recommended for treatment and prevention of this influenza virus. The company which gets the drug's royalties (Gilead) has as a major stockholder- -previously Chairman--one Donald Rumsfeld.

 

Local pharmacies are already running low on Tamiflu.

 

Connect these dots. 

 

http://uk.reuters. com/article/ governmentFiling sNews/idUKN24452 16420090424

 

http://www.snopes. com/politics/ medical/tamiflu. asp

 

http://money. cnn.com/2005/ 10/31/news/ newsmakers/ fortune_rumsfeld /

 

http://www.reuters. com/article/ domesticNews/ idUSTRE53O17O200 90425

 

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2009, 05:44:13 PM »

well, yes and no....

serious pandemics are rare.  good hygiene is important in staying well.  chances are, this will burn itself out.

however, this is hitting an age group that is usually healthy.  they have done the lab work to know that the people who died in mexico had this strain of flu or were in contact with people who developed this strain.  swine flu and avian flu are usually species specific.  in this case, you have a mutated flu that is passed from human to human.  viruses mutate.  that can be good and bad.  it may become a less virulent strain, or it may become much worse. 

watch for an exponential rise in NEW cases.  watch for governments taking extreme measures.  watch for spread in other countries.

flu is common.  death from flu is common.  there is something about this flu that has gotten medicals back up.  it's pretty interesting.  one clue is that they have released tamaflu to the border guards and the coast guard. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2009, 10:37:16 PM »

I came across this a few minutes ago, they say they have 50 million vaccines stockpiled and they released a quarter of that to all the states.


http://health.yahoo.com/news/ap/med_healthbeat_swine_flu_q_a.html
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 10:55:22 PM »

I came across this a few minutes ago, they say they have 50 million vaccines stockpiled and they released a quarter of that to all the states.

http://health.yahoo.com/news/ap/med_healthbeat_swine_flu_q_a.html


Tamiflu and Relenza are not vaccines.  They are antiviral drugs that MAY help reduce the length or severity of the flu or any other viral disease in those already infected, but it does not stop people from getting the flu.  Unless you already have the flu or another viral disease, they won't do you any good.

As far as how dangerous this flu is for those infected... out of some 1300 some-odd confirmed cases, over 100 people have died.  So the mortality is somewhere around 8%... most of those have been in Mexico however, and I would venture a guess that the percentage of people infected in mexico that received decent healthcare were also very low, so that could be pushing the mortality rate higher than it would be elsewhere.

Looking at the bright side, maybe this will curb some of the mexican cartel violence... if for no other reason than because everything is shut down and people are staying home now.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 10:59:40 PM »

No, I know what the medicines are. I called the drugs vaccines by mistake  but I know that they are for after you get the flu and that is what I meant.
This is what I was referring to.

Is swine flu treatable?

A: Yes, with the flu drugs Tamiflu or Relenza, but not with two older flu medications.

Q: Is there enough?

A: Yes. The federal government has stockpiled enough of the drugs to treat 50 million people, and many states have additional stocks. As a precaution, the CDC has shipped a quarter of that supply to the states to keep on hand just in case the virus starts spreading more than it has so far.

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 11:08:13 PM »

No, I know what the medicines are. I called the drugs vaccines by mistake  but I know that they are for after you get the flu and that is what I meant.
This is what I was referring to.

Is swine flu treatable?

a: Yes, with the flu drugs Tamiflu or Relenza, but not with two older flu medications.

Q: Is there enough?

a: Yes. The federal government has stockpiled enough of the drugs to treat 50 million people, and many states have additional stocks. As a precaution, the CDC has shipped a quarter of that supply to the states to keep on hand just in case the virus starts spreading more than it has so far.

Ok, but keep in mind that those drugs are not nearly as effective as antibiotics are for infections.  They make a marginal difference, but hopefully enough of a difference to prevent death with most people... they'll still have to put up with the misery that goes along with the flu though. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 10:06:04 AM »

Believe me, I don't believe anything the pharmaceutical companies or the government put out there.
They could have a cure for it but they are not going to put it out there when they can make more money by stringing us along.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2009, 10:07:57 AM »

This was in my mailbox this morning. I am not saying one way or the other, I am just showing other's take on this whole thing. Its interesting though....


Swine flu outbreak. The truth is ugly.
By Dr. Keith | Apr 27, 2009

Unless you live on Planet Zod (somewhere the other side of the galaxy), you will know there is growing international concern, amounting almost to panic, that we are facing a deadly worldwide pandemic of swine flu. The actual figures, as of today Apr. 27th, are: 1,614 cases and 103 deaths (not all confirmed as swine flu).
After years of trying to will into existence a pandemic of avian flu, the media loonies have finally got what they wanted: something to scream and wring their hands about, trying to induce fear and despair in the population they seek to mind-control.
There is nothing the media likes more than fear and panic. They try to create it, every day, in the news and on television. Living here in the USA, I laugh sometimes. If there is nothing to be scared of that day, they drag up past miseries, instead of saying “It’s been a great day folks. Go home and sleep peacefully”.
In the hurricane season, if nothing is blowing in, they run stories of past hurricanes, over and over and over, just in case the population should relax and start to behave normally.
That said, the media in the USA is almost totally censored by control from the owners. The population is told there are dangers and threats on every hand. They are NOT told that most of this hysteria is full-on lies and counterfeit stories. They are CERTAINLY not told that there are plenty of solutions to the dangers posed.
What lies hidden, covered up by your leaders, can certainly cause trouble and even kill you.
US vaccine manufacturers bio-terrorists?
Now, nobody here is being told that the present “outbreak” of ‘flu was deliberately engineered by a US pharmaceutical company. Baxter International Inc. were caught on the brink of starting an avian flu “pandemic,” by distributing flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 avian flu virus to 18 countries last December.
It was only by providence that the batch was first tested on ferrets in the Czech Republic, before being shipped out for injection into humans. The ferrets all died and the shocking discovery was made.
H5N1 is a strain of avian flu virus classed as a bio-terrorism agent, as it has a kill ratio of 60%. If they had gone into full human inoculation procedures—and well they might—they would have perpetrated the biggest crime against humanity ever to take place. The scale would make Hiroshima, genocide and the Holocaust seem like schoolboy pranks.
By the way, it is impossible and almost inconceivable, that the vaccines could have been “accidentally” contaminated. You will hear that as an excuse, I’m sure, and the government will back them—because the government also has dirty fingers (I’m referring to the previous administration, which spent most of its term in office trying to create the myth of a flu pandemic and putting in place severe population control methods to coerce the masses into doing what they are told).
The fact is, that if Baxter has such dirty cross-contamination techniques, they are not fit to produce pig food, never mind vaccines for inoculation into human beings. Yet they are now snooping around the back door and asking for samples of the virus—so they can make up more vaccine and get more profits. What?
Why should Baxter be trusted, when they have already been proven to be at the very least criminally negligent, and at worst a prime suspect in attempting to carry off one of the most heinous crimes in the history of mankind?
The company has already put the safety of the entire human race at risk, and now, just a few weeks later, we’re expected to invest our confidence in them and take their shots with a smile and keep quiet?
As Mike Adams, The Health Ranger, has commented, “If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter — which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world — getting away with saying, essentially, ‘Oops?’”
A Bigger Conspiracy
Along with total silence and connivance from the US government about Baxter’s criminal intent (or negligence), the controlled US press has been totally unwilling to talk about this story or investigate it. All they bleat about is the coming pandemic and the fear it generates.
Yet in other countries, this shocking revelation is being freely talked about.
Not only that, but there is the whisper of a mass extermination agenda. People are asking: is this a blatant attempt to reduce the world’s population by over 50%?
It would suit the elite—but, of course, not the billions of dead people, if such a scenario could be truly engineered.
And while I am talking about engineered, let me tell you something TOTALLY SHOCKING that puts the whole thing into the right perspective…
The scores of people who have so far died in Mexico were killed by a strange virus that has bits of genetic material from swine flu, avian flu and human flu, consisting of an intercontinental mix of viruses from North America, Europe and Asia. This is odd, to say the least.
Scientists said the virus combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans in a way researchers have not seen before. The official view states that despite mutations which are considered normal, viruses ‘rarely’ pass from one species of animal to another. So how could this swine flu manage to traverse the boundaries of humans, birds and pigs all by itself?
“We are very, very concerned,” World Health Organization spokesman Thomas Abraham said. “We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human,” he said. Flu DNA does mix but such an unusual combination does raise the likelihood that it is an artificial virus—perhaps derived from the Baxter vaccine, released only weeks before.
I didn’t believe the stories of deliberately manufactured AIDS disease: but I have no choice, as a scientist, except to grasp the fact that in this outbreak could have been caused when somebody deliberately released a contrived artificial virus into the population.
I mean, maybe the Baxter story is just a ruse, a device, to deflect attention from the fact that the power elite are working on this program and have just ordered the release of this “mass extermination” agent. Not that I am saying that Baxter might be innocent; goofs of such magnitude are criminal, not merely a slip up.
But this story already smacks of dirty, dark hidden layers upon layers, and I doubt very much that the Baxter plot is any more than the tip of a very nasty iceberg.
Meanwhile, if there is a high-up conspiracy, President Obama doesn’t seem to be in on it. On Apr. 16th Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist, who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu.
The president seems to have been closer to contact with the mutant virus than almost anyone else in the USA!
In fact the really paranoid among us might even wonder if this was an elaborate attempt to assassinate him. It remains a rather strange “coincidence” that it all started on ground zero, right where he was visiting.
So, here’s how to decode the official dissembling and the media hysteria
Item #1. Somebody, somewhere wants this pandemic. It’s been pushed for years and the fact that the dangerous virus is now an engineered mix of strains does not alter this fact.
Item #2. The response will be totally unscientific, not based on sound medical reasoning but based on a manipulative and evil political agenda.
Item #3. Somebody wants the dollars. That means worthless vaccines will be forced on the population as a response.. It may even come to the point where the population is forced, at gunpoint, to accept a dangerous and quite ineffective vaccine, because big shots like Rumsfeld have shares in the vaccine company.
Item #4. The Bush administration prepared the ground for an avian flu “pandemic,”
calling it “inevitable”, although in order to even jump from human to human, the virus would have to have mutated (or “evolved”) in a very specific way—a totally unpredictable event. So how could they know about it in advance?
Well, they could if they CAUSED it to happen. One might draw the conclusion that the government was working on that very mutation, and were going to release it soon. That’s how they knew…
Item #5. This is a tool for further restrictions of freedom. Regulations
have been set in place so that, should the government declare a pandemic,
vaccinations could become mandatory; if refused, the person would be
“quarantined,” which, of course, means imprisoned (you have wonder why so MANY new prisons are being rapidly built in the US, when there is no corresponding increase in crime statistics).
Committed anti-establishment figures seem to have a way of dying suddenly and conveniently in US prisons. It could be a pre-planned way to get rid of political troublemakers. Deaths will be blamed on the fact they didn’t get the vaccine in time.
Anyone who stands in the way of profits for Big Pharma is obviously, by definition, politically undesirable.
Item #6. The mandatory vaccine, in this Hell scenario, would become a further source of the disease, not a protection against it. If the depopulation agenda has been set in motion, instead of the pandemic being controlled, it will be fanned. The vaccine will infect healthy people. Figures will rise rapidly. Deaths will soon be out of control.
At the first sign of forced vaccinations, I’m over the border. Care to join me?
The 1918 Flu Pandemic
You’ll start hearing officials comparing this pandemic scenario with the great flu disaster of 1918- 1922. There is a persistent myth about this pandemic and its deadly effects, which 99.99% of doctors and experts get wrong, even when they are sincere.
The fact that most of the Mexican dead were aged between 25 and 45 rather than being elderly or very young is seen as a particularly worrying sign. The first victims of the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 were also healthy young adults.
[MYTH There were no real healthy young people in 1918. By the turn of the century, 50% of recruits for the British Army were being turned down as unfit for service, because of severe nutritional deficiencies. The picture was the same in the USA and elsewhere. After 4 years of wartime restrictions, malnutrition only got worse, not better. In other words young people were greatly a risk].
I’ve uncovered the real truth of why so many people died of flu at that time and who so few have died in subsequent outbreaks. It doesn’t make sense, until you know what I have uncovered. Then one of the biggest medical mysteries of all time becomes understandable. . It also explains why the flu struck young and fit adults first.
It’s a very neat but of detective work. I’ve told the whole story in a recording I did years ago for alternative- doctor-radio. You can listen to it, using this link:  http://www.alternat ive-doctor- radio.com You can see the box around the center of the page, with a headline about 1918 flu.
You will also hear some good advice on how to combat flu, nutritionally and homeopathically (my first choice).
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 12:21:10 PM »

Oh Dear!! Thats all I can say. Who knows the truth. I will just continue to  hang out with the bees and stay away from people

 
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 12:39:14 PM »

This was in my mailbox this morning. I am not saying one way or the other, I am just showing other's take on this whole thing. Its interesting though....



And here, I've been thinking more along the lines of a biological terrorist attack. Hmmm. 
Do you think there's any credence to what you posted? What's the background of the guy who composed it?  These days, there's not much that would surprise me. Undecided
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 01:10:47 PM »

in spite of the fact that dr keith sounds like a wing nut, he's probably not totally wrong.  i do believe that governments will use this.  ours already has announce an increase in spending.  it this can be used to push the social agenda, it will be.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2009, 03:45:25 PM »

i listened to dr keiths' thing on the 1918 flu.  interesting.  probably some truth in it.  anyway, probably worth a listen.  he's certainly right about good nutrition and overall health.   not sure all his conclusions hold up.....
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 10:18:56 AM »

This was in my mailbox this morning. I am not saying one way or the other, I am just showing other's take on this whole thing. Its interesting though....



And here, I've been thinking more along the lines of a biological terrorist attack. Hmmm. 
Do you think there's any credence to what you posted? What's the background of the guy who composed it?  These days, there's not much that would surprise me. Undecided

I think that there is a little truth in everything but like I said in the beginning of that post I am just sharing other views on the situation, someone sent it to me and I passed it along for others to take what they want from it.
Nothing would surprise me though.
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 12:52:38 AM »

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Meanwhile, if there is a high-up conspiracy, President Obama doesn’t seem to be in on it. On Apr. 16th Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist, who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu.
The president seems to have been closer to contact with the mutant virus than almost anyone else in the USA!
In fact the really paranoid among us might even wonder if this was an elaborate attempt to assassinate him. It remains a rather strange “coincidence” that it all started on ground zero, right where he was visiting.

My bet is on the idea the BHO was already inoculated against the new swine flue virus before he went to Mexico.
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