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Offline annette

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I want to know how to do a cutout
« on: April 07, 2009, 12:53:23 AM »
I know there have been many, many posts here, but I need more answers.

OK there is this cutout in Sutter Creek in the side of an old shed. The owners do not care about the shed at all. They told us (Ray and I) the outer wall is being held up with 3 screws. After removing the plywood wall what happens next???

OK I am looking at a wall of bees and comb and what is the first step??

What equipment do I need to bring with me to the site???

Please be as detailed as possible.

I can't get this hive out of my mind and I know the owners will kill them if they are not taken out.

Please give me a step by step description of what to do.

Thanks
Annette


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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 01:23:18 AM »
Annette, I have a link to someone's blog, detailing a cutout much like yours -- in a shed that would soon be torn down. I can't post the link, though, because I haven't been in the forums long enough. Just google: "Tanglewood Hollow cutout", you should find it that way! Cheers!
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 01:26:14 AM »
I will check this out, Thanks

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 01:29:17 AM »
I'm envious. If I lived anywhere close to you, I'd do that cutout in a heartbeat!!
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 01:45:51 AM »
in the removal section there is a list of things to take, and some pretty detailed descriptions of cutouts.  lots of pictures also. 

i'm sure everyone does it differently and what you find will make some difference.  i'll tell you what i do, but there are masters on here and i am just a grasshopper  :-).

take the time to set up your equipment.  make sure your hive is ready, lay down your tarp, make sure all your tools are handy. 

the first thing i do when i take off a wall section like that is look at the piece i have removed.  often comb is stuck to it and a couple of times i have found the queen there.  it's important to remove this piece gently if you can.  don't just toss it aside.

when you look at the hive, the comb will probably be vertical and between studs.  often the outside comb will be empty.  it may be full of honey.  i use a sturdy paint scraper to pry this loose.  honey goes in the honey bucket.  empty comb goes in the comb bucket or on the tarp.  the center combs will have the bees, brood, and probably queen.  using that same scraper, or a clean one if the 1st is really gunky, i just gently grasp the comb and cut it loose.  if it's brood, it gets banded into frames and set in hive.  if it's not brood, i set it beside the hive, or even on the top if i'm almost done so the bees will be able to go in easily.  if you can find the queen and get her into the hive, the bees will start settling in.  if you don't see her, don't worry.  she's probably on that brood somewhere.

a bee brush and dust pan are handy to sweep up the bees that don't want to co-operate. 

it's pretty messy.  you'll end up taking a bath in honey and you'll kill a lot of bees.  the first time is hard.  after that,  you realize it's not so different than an inspection in your own hive, except you have to handle them more.

i think the most important thing is to take your time and be methodical. try to have a bit of a mental plan before you start.  read through the removal section and the equipment sticky.

one more thing.  twice in outbuildings i have found that the hive became two.  now i always take an extra super setup.  don't forget the straps or staples.
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 01:53:19 AM »
OH this is good stuff Kathy. I will also check out the other posts you mentioned.  I have printed out your post and will calmly read it.

Thanks
Annette

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 02:31:05 AM »
Oh my, can I watch Annette? This should be fun!
Not much room to work at all on this one.
Not screwed, is nailed sheet of plywood.
nailed to studs that are 24 inches on center.
hive is aproximately 2 feet by 4 feet between two studs.
I'd take a nail puller and pull the nails, then pry the plywood back with a wonder bar.
Make sure you're suited up!
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 03:02:44 AM »
The first thing is to apply some smoke to the hive before you cut, pry or pull nails.

Have all of your tools handy and don't forget the most important tool of all, a bucket of water to wash honey off your tools. Hot water works best.

Like Kathy mentioned, go slowly, always on the look out for the queen.

Remove honey sections first and get them out of the way, put some in the hive on the end frames.

A bee vac really comes in handy on a hive with terrific numbers.

Have your camera ready and take lots of pics.

Generally speaking, the bees will be the most wound up while you are accessing the void space.

After you have opened the wall and completely exposed the hive they begin to settle down.

Work from the outside in.

The first couple or so there is that learning curve you have to bypass, after that it starts to make sense.

Try not to get overwhelmed, if you do, take a little break and go back in refreshed.

Have fun and try not to break any nails.


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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 08:41:24 AM »
JP says......"Work from the outside in."

I want to emphasize and expand on that.

When you begin removing the comb, most times the queen will run to the next comb. Eventually, at the end, she will slip into a crevice and you never find her. What JP is saying is remove all the outside comb first, working toward the middle. She will continue to run toward the center, rather than the outside. She doesn't like to cross open areas. When you have only two or three combs left in the center of the brood nest, stop and take a break. As the bees regroup, you will know if you got the queen by where most of them congregate. If they work toward the box, you have her. If they work toward the building, she will return to those two or three combs.

Since I started using that method, my queen success has jumped from about 30% to about 95%.

JP likes to work from the exterior of the building, I like to work from the interior. Both work well, so you can look at both ways and decide which is better for each job you go on.
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 10:47:29 AM »
Wow, you are getting lots of good information here Annette. I hope you go for this cutout. Bring someone with you for moral support and its even better if they are knowledgeable as well for technical support.

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2009, 07:47:10 PM »
OK really good information on this. I thank you all very much. 

Will let you all know which direction this will go.  I really feel I can do this, but I am having extreme fears. Would love to have moral support, but we shall see.

Annette


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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2009, 07:48:46 PM »
Oh my, can I watch Annette? This should be fun!
Not much room to work at all on this one.
Not screwed, is nailed sheet of plywood.
nailed to studs that are 24 inches on center.
hive is aproximately 2 feet by 4 feet between two studs.
I'd take a nail puller and pull the nails, then pry the plywood back with a wonder bar.
Make sure you're suited up!


I don't think you could sit back and watch if you wanted to. I'll contact you later on this.

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2009, 07:49:19 PM »
take a designated driver and a bottle of tequila  :evil:
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 07:52:11 PM »
Wish I had you over here Kathy

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 08:24:46 PM »
i am not a good DD :-).

you will be fine.
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville

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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2009, 08:47:45 PM »
Oh my, can I watch Annette? This should be fun!
Not much room to work at all on this one.
Not screwed, is nailed sheet of plywood.
nailed to studs that are 24 inches on center.
hive is aproximately 2 feet by 4 feet between two studs.
I'd take a nail puller and pull the nails, then pry the plywood back with a wonder bar.
Make sure you're suited up!


I don't think you could sit back and watch if you wanted to. I'll contact you later on this.

I think you're right Annette, I luv to get my own fingers in the pie!
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2009, 10:36:20 PM »
Send me and JP round trip tickets and we'll be right there.  :shock:   :)
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2009, 10:51:37 PM »
Annette: I would love to try this.  You have a real opportunity here  to learn and grow in your art.  Best of luck, but reagrdless of the result, see this learning experience as the jewel that it is.
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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2009, 01:30:59 AM »
OK really good information on this. I thank you all very much. 

Will let you all know which direction this will go.  I really feel I can do this, but I am having extreme fears. Would love to have moral support, but we shall see.

Annette



Annette, the extreme fears are all in your head my dear.

If you are properly prepared and properly protected, what's the worst thing that can happen?

If at any point you get overwhelmed, just take a break and regroup.

You CAN do this.


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Re: I want to know how to do a cutout
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2009, 02:03:42 AM »
i have an attic to do on Saturday.  i'll trade you my attic for your outbuilding  :-)
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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