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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2009, 02:15:58 PM »

david, you need to go back and look at what his associations really were.  they were more than a handshake.  he was deeply involved with many of these people, not to mention sitting in that church for 20 years.

Seriously Kathy (can I call you Kathy?) - I know about Rev Write, and I do have a problem with that (who doesn't?) but I can understand it.  I know about the Weather Underground thing and consider it a non issue.  I know that he had some dealings with a couple of shady Chicago business men, and not to excuse it entirely, but that's politics.  Does he now or did he then have an incestuous or corrupt relationship with any of those people?  I've heard innuendo, but no evidence at all. Do you know something that I don't?  If so, please enlighten me.


i'm not sure that matters now.  we knew what he was, or should have.  we knew he had the most liberal voting record in the senate, that he supported gun control, didn't support the "born alive" legislation.  we knew who he worked with and who he had as his mentors, and voted him in anyway.  we also knew he would have from NP and HR the support he needed for his socialist programs. 

we voted in a man with a very big shovel; not to get us out from under the mess, but to dig our grave that much faster.

I support gun control, even thought I have several. I think it should be harder for criminals, psychopaths, illegal aliens, children, drug addicts, and Mexican drug lords to get them.  I and other responsible law abiding American citizens should own lots and lots.  I'm not sure how to accomplish all that, but there it is.

I think that the correct Liberal position on abortion should be that it is a violation of the rights of the unborn, and at Least 999 times out of a thousand a very bad thing. 

I haven't seen a politician (or person) who I agreed with 100%.  Have you?
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2009, 02:46:28 PM »



  I know that he had some dealings with a couple of shady Chicago business men, and not to excuse it entirely, but that's politics.  Does he now or did he then have an incestuous or corrupt relationship with any of those people?  I've heard innuendo, but no evidence at all. Do you know something that I don't?  If so, please enlighten me.





Ok

1. look at my location I live in Chicago
2. the last two Governors of Illinois have lost there jobs to these Business me (I use that term lightly)
3. One governor in prison and one on the way
4. Obama had dealings with them and was set on a course to power thanks to Daley (who is also corrupt but sly about it)
5. Acorn was on the road to incitement until Obama became the head of the country (I will never call him President)
6. Once the country has woken up you will see the depth that Obama had gone to in the criminal underworld

Obama did not have one or two of the same contacts, but had all the same contacts.  Illinois politics are corrupt from the very core and as such no Illinois politician should be in D.C.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2009, 03:02:51 PM »

Illinois politics are corrupt from the very core and as such no Illinois politician should be in D.C.

You should start a grass roots petition to amend that to the constitution.  I'm sure plenty of people would sign on.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2009, 03:09:12 PM »

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I support gun control, even thought I have several. I think it should be harder for criminals

already laws to address these issues.  they need to be enforced.  gun control only impacts those who already follow the laws.

as for the other, there is nothing i can add to your knowledge.  you know he sat in a racist church with his family...for 20 years.  you excuse it.  you know he had close associations with an unapologetic domestic terrorist.  you excuse it.  you know he had close associations with, and benefits from, criminals.  you excuse it.  you know he had close associations with a criminal "community" organization.  you excuse it.

maybe this would be a more productive discussion if you told me what you really like about the guy.  what you hope he accomplishes (specifically).  why you trust him?
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2009, 04:03:01 PM »

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I support gun control, even thought I have several. I think it should be harder for criminals

already laws to address these issues.  they need to be enforced.  gun control only impacts those who already follow the laws.

as for the other, there is nothing i can add to your knowledge.  you know he sat in a racist church with his family...for 20 years.  you excuse it.  you know he had close associations with an unapologetic domestic terrorist.  you excuse it.  you know he had close associations with, and benefits from, criminals.  you excuse it.  you know he had close associations with a criminal "community" organization.  you excuse it.

maybe this would be a more productive discussion if you told me what you really like about the guy.  what you hope he accomplishes (specifically).  why you trust him?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

"he sat in a racist church with his family...for 20 years.  you excuse it."

I said that I understand it.  America has a long past history of violent and vile racial discrimination which I don't expect can be fully appreciated by those who weren't subjected to it.  Hopefully most of that is behind us, but you can't expect it to not leave scars.

"you know he had close associations with an unapologetic domestic terrorist.  you excuse it.... you know he had close associations with a criminal "community" organization.  you excuse it." I know no such thing.  Can you point to ANY evidence of those accusations?  Any at all?

"maybe this would be a more productive discussion if you told me what you really like about the guy.  what you hope he accomplishes (specifically).  why you trust him?"

I seriously doubt if this is going to be a productive discussion since we both seem to have our minds made up.  Then again, if you can just simply link to a reliable source to support those things maybe my mind will be changed.  Please give it a shot.

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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2009, 04:17:00 PM »

I hope nobody is getting upset.... grin

From Day one, those on the left pointed out every flaw, every mispronounced word, and every thing they could to bring down Bush. Now it's the other sides turn to do the same. Thus far no newscaster has forged fake documents, no movie producer made a movie to glorified an enemy to bash the president, and nobody has claimed the new president blew up levees, wired the trade center, or anything else.

Right now, people are just expressing their view on the poor job that Obama has done thus far. Don't get mad until the real crap starts...... grin

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2009, 04:21:29 PM »

I hope nobody is getting upset.... grin

Nah, but it is getting kind of tedious.  I don't know what I was thinking.

I move that we agree to disagree and have a cold one. (Oh geez, a liberal AND a drunk...)
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2009, 04:35:39 PM »

I hope nobody is getting upset.... grin

Nah, but it is getting kind of tedious.  I don't know what I was thinking.

I move that we agree to disagree and have a cold one. (Oh geez, a liberal AND a drunk...)

I 2nd it but I need to get the last word in.  As far as the criminal element would would rent a swath of land 120' by 25' and pay 500k.  That was the deal Obama and Tony Resco had.  Resco was convicted by the U.S. Justice Dept. for racketeering and bribery.
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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2009, 04:58:57 PM »

I hope nobody is getting upset.... grin

Nah, but it is getting kind of tedious.  I don't know what I was thinking.

I move that we agree to disagree and have a cold one. (Oh geez, a liberal AND a drunk...)

I 2nd it but I need to get the last word in.  As far as the criminal element would would rent a swath of land 120' by 25' and pay 500k.  That was the deal Obama and Tony Resco had.  Resco was convicted by the U.S. Justice Dept. for racketeering and bribery.

It's true, he's been associated with some shady people - But he IS from Chicago. 

It bothers me more that he isn't 100% truthful right now - he stretches the facts in his addresses to make his points, usually on relatively insignificant points like the high school graduation rate.  Unfortunately 100% honesty doesn't occur very often in politicians - or human beings for that matter.  Even with the warts, I believe that he wants to do a good job for us all.  Maybe partly because I want to believe that.

You know if you only accept as friends and allies those without flaws you're gonna be a pretty lonely person, and until the Lord runs for president I guess we'll have to do the best we can with mere mortals.  Think he'd win?
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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2009, 05:39:04 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2009, 05:41:27 PM »

vermmy35, you can't have it.

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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2009, 06:03:22 PM »

vermmy35, you can't have it.

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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2009, 01:02:40 AM »

I posted this on another subject here in the Coffee House but it applies here too, so here's a carbon copy:

I just have to put my oar in the water about this.  I'll climb on my   soapbox   now.

.....to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign or domestic.......

That's part of the Oath of Office of the President of the United States.  Any American citizen, native born or naturalized, Politician, President, or Joe the Plumber, who attempts to suppress, usurp, or eliminate rights granted under the Constitution of the United States is a domestic enemy.

Enacting limits or legislating confiscatory powers, however justified, to any one of the Bill of Rights or any of the other amendments, is an act against the Constitution and if enacted by the President or any other elected US Official is a violation of his/their oath of office.  That means misfeasance or malfeasance of office.  Those are Impeachable offenses.

The Declaration of Independence, our 1st founding document, specifically states that the people have the power to correct the unlawful and grievous actions of our elected officials, by martial means if necessary.  That is a power, a birthright, upon which this country and our Constitution are based.

I do not advocate the overthrow of our government but our elected officials must be made aware of how the majority of Americans (The Silent Majority {unfortunately}) feel about the actions they are taking and reminded of the limit of governmental powers decreed and imposed by said Constitution.  I believe in voicing my opinions as granted under article 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America.  I believe in defending my country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.  When I entered into Military Service I took an oath very much like the ones the President and other Elected and Appointed officials of the United States swear to upon taking office.  I believe it is my duty, as a native born American Citizen, to fullfill, to the best of my ability, that oath until my dying day.  It is an oath that did not end upon my honorable discharged from military service, it is duty I was born with under, and by the authority of the Constitution of the United States of America.

To do less, to standby idly, to accept or support abuse of the principals upon which this nation was founded when the very fabric of my country is in danger is treasonous.  That is why my signature line includes the statement: Apathy is The greatest danger to our society, vote in every election!  Voting is not only our right it is our duty, it is what is necessary to avoid the need to correct the errors of government through martial action.  If you have failed to exercise that right, you are, in part responsible for the misconduct of our officials.  Failure to vote is Seditious by omission. 

Voting is the preferred way to correct government. If you chose to do nothing, you deserve what you get.  But those who have exercised their right to vote do not deserve, nor want, the results of apathy.

Based upon the actions of Barak Hussien Obama  since assuming the office of President of the United States of America, I believe that he is in violation of his oath of office.  This belief extends to his appointees.  It is my intent to attempt to change this through the lawful exercise of my Constitutional Rights and through the empowerment and education of the electorate. 

If you are willing to accept misconduct and/or usurpation of your rights you know where you stand from my viewpoint.

History Lesson: What is going on in this country, at this moment, under the guise of a national emergency is a parallel to what occurred during the 1930's in Germany and look where that took the world.
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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2009, 10:04:02 AM »

C'mon guys!  Don't tell me that you are reading those questionable blogs and internet sources??  Those right wing nuts out there who are just spreading every lie and rumor that they hear that could hurt somebody?  The hateful screechers?

You should dedicate your news time to the reputable venerable news agencies whose unbiased reporters work tirelessly to uncover the truth and bring it to you on a daily basis!
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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2009, 10:23:21 AM »

bravo brian.
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2009, 07:32:16 PM »

C'mon guys!  Don't tell me that you are reading those questionable blogs and internet sources??  Those right wing nuts out there who are just spreading every lie and rumor that they hear that could hurt somebody?  The hateful screechers?

You should dedicate your news time to the reputable venerable news agencies whose unbiased reporters work tirelessly to uncover the truth and bring it to you on a daily basis!
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2009, 09:02:36 AM »

C'mon guys!  Don't tell me that you are reading those questionable blogs and internet sources??  Those right wing nuts out there who are just spreading every lie and rumor that they hear that could hurt somebody?  The hateful screechers?

You should dedicate your news time to the reputable venerable news agencies whose unbiased reporters work tirelessly to uncover the truth and bring it to you on a daily basis!
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2009, 10:19:05 AM »

i predict nationalization of the auto industry.  if not with this set of hearings, soon. 

my prediction for the day  grin
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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2009, 04:40:08 PM »

i predict nationalization of the auto industry.  if not with this set of hearings, soon. 

my prediction for the day  grin
Forcing out the CEO - sounds like the first step.....
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2009, 04:50:07 PM »

I like that Obama wants a plan from the car companies. I strongly dislike the fact he is telling the company how to function. He needs to let them die. They are really just pension companies masquerading as car companies.

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