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« on: March 16, 2009, 07:56:20 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment

if you are in a reserve unit, or the guard, go read your medical insurance policy.  chances are it excludes service related injury and disability.  this will lead to canceled insurance, raised premiums and/or much higher deductibles.  no company will want to offer insurance to us if they know they will be on the hook for service related injury!
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 08:54:57 PM »

Tis sad sad state of affairs that would even consider such an action. Sad Sad Sad
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 09:17:06 PM »

And so the disillusionment with President Obama begins.  What's next, gun confinscation?
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 09:38:36 PM »

And so the disillusionment with President Obama begins.  What's next, gun confinscation?
Bite your tongue, Brian!  shocked
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 09:48:59 PM »

What's the problem?  The alternative is government sponsored (read socialized) health care.  Or does that suddenly seem reasonable?

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 10:09:06 PM »

I am a service connected disable vet.
we will fight it tooth and nails.
nuff said on my part.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 10:26:48 PM »

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What's the problem?  The alternative is government sponsored (read socialized) health care.  Or does that suddenly seem reasonable?

i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and figure you don't know much about the military.

the military does have government health care under certain circumstances.  we serve and you take care of us if we are injured.  that is our contract with you the taxpayer. service related injuries are what we are talking about.

one of the reasons for this agreement is the recognition that the civilian  health care system would  not, and probably could not, meet the needs of injured and disabled soldiers returning from war.  VA health care is another animal.  while it is available for vets, it is usually not a first choice for most.  many reasons for that.  even so, as part of our contract, VA health care is available to us if we need it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 10:36:14 PM »

CHANGE....Bend over and brace for it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 10:41:55 PM »

I may be an out law some day.
Because I will have my guns, or be dead.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 11:58:45 PM »

So there is a limit to how far we are willing to privatize healthcare, interesting.  If we take the republican party philosophy of independence and small government to its natural conclusion there will be no government sponsored healthcare for anyone, period.  Rather like the last 10 years "oversight" of Wall Street if you think about it.  Didn't that work well.

We can speculate about how well Obama and the democratic controlled government will do in the next 4 years, but we only need to look at the current mess to know how Bush and the republican controlled government performed.  It's hard to imagine Obama et al could do worse.

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 12:06:44 AM »

always good to hear from the clueless sector. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 08:33:36 AM »

Ironic, really.  They want to socialize healthcare except for the government employees?  Weird, really.

I don't know how he can even consider this one.  But it will save 540 million.  Somebody gotta pay for all those earmarks.
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 09:26:02 AM »

If we take the republican party philosophy of independence and small government to its natural conclusion there will be no government sponsored healthcare for anyone, period.

I'm a firm believer that everyone is responsible for themselves and their families. It is not my responsibility to take care of you. Nor do I expect you to take care of me or mine. If I run across hard luck and have a problem making ends meet that is tough pookie for me. If a friend or family member wants to help me out that is great. But it is not the tax payers problem. When the government starts taking care of you they will want to start telling you how to live.

If a person fights for their country and is wounded then "The People" should take care of them. At least the military service related problems.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 09:28:11 AM »

If we take the republican party philosophy of independence and small government to its natural conclusion there will be no government sponsored healthcare for anyone, period.

I'm a firm believer that everyone is responsible for themselves and their families. It is not my responsibility to take care of you. Nor do I expect you to take care of me or mine. If I run across hard luck and have a problem making ends meet that is tough pookie for me. If a friend or family member wants to help me out that is great. But it is not the tax payers problem. When the government starts taking care of you they will want to start telling you how to live.

If a person fights for their country and is wounded then "The People" should take care of them. At least the military service related problems.

Very well put, I agree!

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 09:40:53 AM »

always good to hear from the clueless sector. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 10:16:55 AM »

i can't really figure out how this would work anyway.  it would only really apply to reservists that are recalled near as i can tell.  what happens to the reservist that is recalled and doesn't have private sector insurance in the first place?  and are they going to force insurance companies to include service related injuries?  what happens if insurance companies drop service members?  this looks like it will be something of a mess.

you know i am in favor of doing away with all but catastrophic health insurance and going to 1st party payer system, but i can't see how that would work for the military.  yes, it would be the logical conclusion for conservatives that we do away with government health care.  it is expensive and inefficient.  already it is poorly run and requires a huge bureaucracy to mis-manage it. 

i suppose we could do away with the military!  that might help.  that 3-5% of the budget that they suck up could be applied as a small down payment toward a government health care system for all......
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2009, 08:20:44 PM »

answering a post with "always good to hear from the clueless sector" is a sure way to stimulate conversation.  Good on ya!
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 08:35:15 PM »

it was the best i could do late at night...and it was appropriate to the comment.  that comment wasn't a real conversation stater either.  more like a chain yank.  glad you enjoyed.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 09:39:36 AM »

I believe this goes to the heart of obama's plan for his America. To make the people who were responsible enough for themselves to continue to pay for themselves and also pay for everyone else that choose to sit on thier fat butt.
 The fact that I choose to defend this country was my choice based on any number of reasons. One of them was if I was maimed or broken I assumed my Govt. might care enough about me to fix me the best they could. Now when I go to war to defend this flipping socialist idiot in the white house and I end up hurt, the burden of fixing me will be passed on to my private insurance company?Huh huh
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 12:28:30 AM »

I may be an out law some day.
Because I will have my guns, or be dead.
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