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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2009, 07:59:43 AM » |
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My issue with you Chef is that in the MONTH you were so busy, you had no problems posting on the other Fourm, yet couldn't find the time to communicate with no one who tried helping you out from here?
If I insult you, sorry you feel that way - I don't know you, but from your actions here, I don't know if I am missing much especially when it comes to communicating your greatfulness to any assistance offered from our mrmbers.
And since you BRING IT UP - I'll GLADLY QUOTE your post both here and also posted at the other forum. Here is you quote:
"If anyone wants to contribute to my bee fund... or shoot a nuc or package my way... that would be great . I think I lost all my bees"
Sure sounds like asking for money and or equipment to me. Then members help, and then they have to post, not "Is everything okay with Chef" but "What happened to our Friend?" which should not be an issue, you didn't have to post in our forfum, but an email to anyone who helped might have been respectful and expected, I can't think of one member who wouldn't have written a thank you, even if it was just a message saying that they hoped all was well.
You say you had to care for your wife, I'm hoping all is well with her, I mean that sincerely - but it didn't stop you posting multiple times nearly every day since the FLOOD OF THE CENTURY in another forum, but again, spending 2 minutes to acknowledge someone who tried to help here was too much for you to do. That was what upset many people, and sadly you still don't see that.
Maybe you need to see how poorly you managed this situation. you say that you didn't ASK for anyone to contribute your Bee Fund - you did too. the you didn't acknowledge contributors from here, you didn't. Tell me how I'm supposed to see you Chef? Asking "if you would like to contribute" is not a disclaimed to whether you were asking for assistance, of course whether someone gives or not is their choice - it was a request to anyone who wanted to assist, don't say you weren't asking for money or equipment, I have your entire post if anyone needs to see it in the full context, but you chose to show devastation flood images and kept the text short with the words quoted from your post here.
My post wasn't about you, but your lack of a responce from you to our membership sure made it easy for me to explain WHY we cannot bailout member's losses, we are all beekeepers and all suffer losses, it is part of the hobby sadly enough. If you took it as personal, that is something I'd search your conscious about, not the merits of me or any moderator of this forum.
If you have time for a hundred posts give/or take at the other forum, then you have time for ONE POST in this forum where you asked for assistance too. I know I am right on this Chef. I am glad your losses are relatively low, you obiously are recovering well enough to worry about having UPC codes to add to your honey jars so you can market them at grocery stores, you have plenty of time for lots of things, but writing a one line note saying "thanks for your help, things are getting better!" was too much to squeeze in and that is not how members here deal with things, either on the asking of responding end..
Your own words in posts found elsewhere, made several people here who were willing to contribute, realize that you LIKELY are much better off then they are - that is what I believe is special about our membership here, to give to others, even when you have little yourself is something our members would do in a heart beat and those receiving help would keep in touch, if only to thank them - I don't know if you even understand that concept, but it annoys the hell out of me when all this time goes by, and you couldn't at least update us on actual los or how things are going - instead I'm suppose to see how you are a member in good standing in another forum, give me a break - that just is foolishness.
We were okay when you were looking for assistance, but not worth writing to us as a curtesy followup - that is not the stuff of a Beemaster Forum Member, it might work elsewhere, but here it is rude and frankly to many unforgiveable. If Iddee had never written you, we may not have read this responce from you either. Disappearing after a post asking for assistance?, is that what (in your eyes makes a upstanding member) in any forum? Wow, we see things differently here and I don't think you have a clue of what I am talking about.
So if you don't like that I posted that people be WARNED about contributing funds to members, I'm happy that I made an effort to warn against Internet fraud, I never said you were under that definition - I don't need to use lowshots, especially when your own actions explain the way you handle the kindness of others WAY BETTER than I could. I'm not using you as an example, but the members sure can imply it as a reference, that from your own actions, not anything I said.
And by the way, this post now would be in private, except you chose to respond to me in public, in those cases ( I have chosen long ago to reply in kind) I have little choice but to respond in publically - kids today call it being SERVED. If you have anything further to say to me, I strongly strongly suggest it is in private, I won't hash this out in public and CHEF, neither will you, not round two! Being a moderator anyehere with a cncious has great responcibility, debating in public isn't something I like to do, but you brought it to the table, so thus my reply in public. I think it a good time to let the new members, many who have came from other forums should know why issues like this are important and how we stand by our rules. I have said nothing here that is abusive or argumentitive, I'm simple replying to your post and explaining how we do things, whether or not you understand the difference is not my proble - but it is a great learning tool to new members. Ethics and resoncibily is all we have to keep us living the standards we expect from the members and some times when a member wants to bring an issue to the public it needs to be aired as such.
Lastly, I don't go to Beesourse, but maybe 15 minutes a year honestly just to see what topics are hot and what are not, no one has a patent on a forum topic, I see that they have adopted a GREETINGS FORUM, it is not something we have rights to, it is a tool for members to get to know each other. I feel the same way if I see a hot topic that I think our members would like to post about and may adopt that topic here - Beesource is a fine forum and the Internet needs more forums about beekeeping, there is plenty of room for hundreds of beekeeping forums. What I hear about what is going on over there is from other members who have followed your posting since your "IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO MY BEE FUND" post and subsequent non-posting here. I have enough to do here to keep me busy as do the other mods, if I insulted you, then look here and see your lack of posts since your request post, don't send me elsewhere on the Internet to see how you believe you are preceived and respected. I judge you and any member by how they are "here", I know of many members who have come here lately and they are NOT the same people who they were elsewhere in other forums - they change, play by the rules, they care and interact with the other members, make friends and understand our rules and play within the guidelines. Even better, they followup when they post images and notes concerning any damage done to their be yard. Not disappear for a month or more, requiring members to look for them where they choose to post, forgetting they started a serious topic here. Frankly, as far as members go, this incident was not very impressive to most os us, not just me.
When a member or their posts makes it to the mod room where we discuss how we should respond to an incident, it usually doesn't end up good in that member's favor. Your original post was moved because frankly I had no idea who would dig up that post and continue to send anything to you - without feedback from you, what was I suppose to do? I worry about the membership, not individual members - it is for the greater good, not for the ease of the moderators, not for a lone member, but for the membership we do things.
You taught us one this, no matter how poorly you made any effort to appease the members concerning the followup after the flood - no posts asking for money, equipment or anything to replace loss will ever be posted here again. I can't think of someone who could have poorly handled a situation better than you did, this made our "No request for assistance" policy really easy in induct.
So rather than feel insulted by the way I replied to your lack of posting and then thanking Iddee for letting you know that the people you dropped like a hot rock we asking for you, who only wanted a thank you or an update, these people deserved more and you didn't come through. So blame yourself instead of telling me to go elsewhere and see how reputable you believe you are - I don't care anything about a member outside the doors of this forum, here is what I care about and you performed poorly here and owed this membership more than an appology many many weeks after your original post and only when told by someone that you were AWOL as far as much of our membership goes. So don't dig a hole here and then complain it is too deep, especially when you brought your own shovel.
I'd be careful though, replying in public here again is just creating an argumentitive situation, I'm asking you a second time, keep it Private, or expect to have one less forum to attend, you obviously do well elsewhere, it seems you feel your reputation there is enough to mean something here, it does not. You create a reputation the day you walk in the door here, I don't expect anyone to follow any member around the Internet to have to Judge their character - that sort of thing doesn't come up. The way you interact and respond to THIS membership is what we judge you by, not how you perform elsewhere. That "Just check me out at the other forum" is as rediculous to me as "Just check out my MYSPACE PAGE, or look at my possitive feedback at Ebay" it means nothing Chef, nothing - we judge members "here" not in the rest of cyberspace. Take 5 minutes and read the rules, get an idea of what we strive for and see how you failed so many people here, maybe we expect more than you are use to? I really don't know, but that is why we do everything here to protect our members, because some people come in without reading the Bilaws and they think this is some other forums they belong to, it is not and if it were, I wouldn't have wasted an hour responding to you. But not another second will be wasted in open forum - bring it to PMs, you seem more than capable of navagating this and other forums, it is just a shame you chose to not opt to do so here weeks ago, this topic likely would have never come up - so look in the mirror, use some hindsite and see why some people are not happy with you. I'm done and don't see a need to continue in private even. No one called you a crook, at best I and others showed GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT and that is the issue. Something tells me Iddee is cringing at even telling you, or at least being mentioned by you in your post. No harm or foul there, I'm glad you at least finalised the thread you started - otherwise, we probably would have never known what happened - at least not from you.
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