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« on: February 21, 2009, 01:49:02 AM »

So tonite I went into the city with relatives of my wife for 3 parades. My wife road on a float in the last parade. She's never done this before. She and some friends were so excited to ride together.

The weather couldn't have been more perfect. We were all having such a good time until the 7th float in her parade passed.

Approx 70 yards from us 5 gun shots were fired, people by the hundreds were running in our direction.

The thing is there were lots of police at this parade. They were all over it when it went down.

Apparently there was an argument and screaming just before the shots rang out.

Approx 60% of the crowd vanished after the incident, can't really blame them. We would have also but had to wait for my wife's float #13 to pass.

She had no idea the incident occurred. She looked to be having so much fun.

I won't say anything about the matter until she brings it up, don't wanna ruin her excitement. http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/photo_man_shot_multiple_times_1.html

Y'all please be safe, sorry, needed to vent.


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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 07:32:29 AM »

JP,

It's a crazy place. Sorry to hear about that.

There were only two times in my life that I was truly afraid, and one was while attending Mardi Gras.

I went with five friends.  And of course, sometime during the evening, a place to take a leak was needed. Already having drinks, myself and one other made our way to a street a couple blocks off the main street. There were still many people, so it was not as if we were in some lonely alley. So up comes about 12 teenagers. They walked up and asked my buddy if he had the time. I knew it was coming, but it was too late. As he looked down at his watch, he was cold cocked and was down for the count.

As the 12 kind of jogged away, I heard the one guy say "I told you mothers I could knock him out with one punch". With that, I'm not sure if it was my confidence, the alcohol, or stupidity, but I took my hurricane glass (from Pat O's of course) and smashed the end on the street and yelled out a line of 4 letter bombs that caught their attention. Very quickly I was surrounded. So here I was, with 12 guys, and I had a buddy that just staggered to his feet. I'm hearing things like "I'm going stick you", etc. I'm expecting to be stuck in the back at any moment.

At this point, there are a few people gathering. I'm waiting for anyone to help out. Nobody says anything. And what happens next can only be described as something out of a movie. A guy who looked exactly like Fred Sanford, being about 70 years old, comes running up the street, yelling "I told you punks to get off my street", and cursing up a storm. I'm not sure who he was, but I saw 12 pairs of very wide open eyes, turn and flee the scene in seconds.

Not sure who that guy was. I will always remember him.

Moments later as we rounded a corner, there stood three cops smoking cigs. A few moments after that comes my three buddies. I can only imagine what would of happened if they would of rounded the corner as we were surrounded. You see, of the five guys, I was the smallest. I stand 6 - 3, and was at my military max of around 210. The other guys in my group were "gym" hounds, and could of smacked me around for sure. I had never seen them back down, or lose any bar fight. They thrived on that stuff. Of course, the way it ended was probably good as no knives or guns were used. Just an old neighborhood grandpa that was taking no crap that night.



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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 07:47:07 AM »

My wife walked in at around 2am and never said a word about the shooting, she has no idea. She said she had a wonderful time. I let her go to bed with excitement and joy from her experience in her head.

She'll probably find out today but not from me.

Mike, as you know Mardi Gras can be the most awesome experience, unlike anything a person has ever experienced.

We usually don't go into down town, won't be anytime soon either.


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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 08:17:28 AM »

Wow, read the comments, this one "This is news?" sent chills down my spine - obviously shootings aren't anything to write about down there!  Thank goodness, JP, no one else was hurt in the crowd, or in the parade!
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 08:53:30 AM »

Ann, my worst fear was that bystanders were shot but I believe it was one of the guys arguing that got shot, not that anyone deserved it. There were 5 shots that were fired very rapidly. The thing was so surreal, like out of some movie.


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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 10:13:49 AM »

The flavor of the crescent city. I can't say I am surprised by this. It does suck though. I went to a friends Solistice party and on the outside street two angry neighbors got into with shots fired. It was like the party was placed on hold.

I am just to jaded by stuff like this. I have seen to much of this from working in Miami during drug wars. Scarface was tame. To shootings in Chinatown in DC outside the arena. My coworker won't go back to DC  because of it.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 10:25:03 AM »

The really sad thing in all this is that New Orleans, is such a rich culturally influenced melting pot with so much warmth and flavor from its food to the upstanding people who live here.

There is so much good, but incidences like this taint any city, because they can happen in any city where thugs can be thugs.

How do you stop the thugging? That's the million dollar question.


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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 10:27:16 AM »

The really sad thing in all this is that New Orleans, is such a rich culturally influenced melting pot with so much warmth and flavor from its food to the upstanding people who live here.

There is so much good, but incidences like this taint any city, because they can happen in any city where thugs can be thugs.

How do you stop the thugging? That's the million dollar question.


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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 10:35:28 AM »

I agree 100% Brendhan, it has to be a total community effort. God knows there's only so much cops can do, they are just too out numbered, besides, cops are kinda like doctors if you think about it, they both try and find a remedy after the damage has been done. We need to think preventative treatment.

I actually have had people ask me, when is the best time to treat my house for termites. My answer is always the same, before you get them. I wish it were that simple with people.


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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 11:47:35 AM »

JP, I'm so sorry that had to happen!  How frightening for you knowing your wife was like a sitting duck on that float not knowing exactly what was going on.  JP, you are right to let her have her fun, specially since there was nothing really you could do.  We get few chances to go out & have a good time doing something new.
I don't know the answer to the sensless violence or lack of communication skills..shootings/stabbings/clubbing with bats, sticks, bones & rocks have been going on for as long as man.  It just seems that the last 30 years or so the tolerance has gone down for the offenders & up for the rest of us. I think one aspect (besides the violent games & media) is that as society gets away from "the old way" there are no rituals or ways for men or women to proclaim their manhood or place in the society.  They have no reason to grow up or way to know that they have. These are the same ones who don't know that many "rights" are actually privileges earned. They need to be taken out of their little pond & tossed into the big one where people won't accept their crap, swagger & actually will push back.  It is easy to attack the unwitting, old or very young, they don't or can't fight back!  I know from dealing with my stepson's lack of ANY personal responsibility that life is going to have to smack him down hard before he even gets a clue as to what being a man or decent human being is. The only reason he isn't in more trouble with the law, drugs & stuff is he is too lazy & glued to the Xbox killing & torturing people in fantasy world. I don't like the idea of the draft, specially with the wars on but I think for Alex, being tossed into the military where people won't take your crap & the idea that the "whole" is more important than each, the picture is bigger than your little self would go a long way to get him on the right track. Hmm...sounds like bees?  I have no control over him or his mother, can only watch, pray & help Chels on her journey.
Bjorn, now that old Man was an intervention from God saving those punks from real harm & you & your friends from jailtime!  How different lives would have been had things gone further...killings, crippling albeit accidental would be a heavy burdon to carry.
Just my humble ramblings...J
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 12:11:30 PM »

My wife said she heard about the shooting on the radio last night on her way back home but didn't have an idea where it happened.

She had a really good time throwing beads and stuff from the float and was overjoyed when she saw her family. She threw me a jester hat, black n gold with bells on it, maybe I'll where it catching swarms this yr!


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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 12:33:55 PM »

My wife said she heard about the shooting on the radio last night on her way back home but didn't have an idea where it happened.

She had a really good time throwing beads and stuff from the float and was overjoyed when she saw her family. She threw me a jester hat, black n gold with bells on it, maybe I'll where it catching swarms this yr!


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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 12:34:09 PM »

Might get on the news with that..JP, the Jester Swarm Catcher! Or maybe to wear only the hat @ home playing "Mardi-Gras" through the year??? evil  J
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 12:38:06 PM »

Haha Mike, yes, it'll be a lucky hat! Ok, I'm going to wear it on a swarm call and take pics, is what I've decided. Stay tuned! grin


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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2009, 10:27:53 PM »

The really sad thing in all this is that New Orleans, is such a rich culturally influenced melting pot with so much warmth and flavor from its food to the upstanding people who live here.

There is so much good, but incidences like this taint any city, because they can happen in any city where thugs can be thugs.

How do you stop the thugging? That's the million dollar question.


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Until the community unites against it. You don't.

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The community has to unite against it, until the police will handle the crimes as usual, non-priorty mindless unidentifiable.  Remember the police are not obligated to provide protect, their job, buy statute, is to investigate crimes and prosecute idenified offenders.  If the community wants protect they must provide it themselves.  When the community organizes, then the police will begin a crack down because they don't want to deal with "vigilante" justice.  Under the Constitution, when the government fails, the citizens have a right to organize.  One begats the other.  Community organization will force the police to take action.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2009, 04:06:16 PM »

seems it will never end

shots fired again

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/breaking/40238172.html

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2009, 05:49:19 PM »

i know that NO always had a high crime rate, but do you guys think the general makeup of the population has changed since katrina?  did you get left with the dregs, or did more bad guys leave and good folks stay behind?
houston is complaining that they got some unsavory characters from LA that stayed and upped the crime rate.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2009, 06:01:55 PM »

I believe we did lose a lot of thugs during Katrina but the environment for thuggery is still here in low income settings where irresponsible adults are continuing to set poor examples.

New Orleans east lost lots of people but the area is more unsafe now than ever.

A lot of the project housing units in new orleans were torn down and replaced with nice bldgs but with the same mentality and poor parenting along with drug access thuggery still remains a constant.



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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2009, 02:10:43 PM »

i know that NO always had a high crime rate, but do you guys think the general makeup of the population has changed since Katrina?  did you get left with the dregs, or did more bad guys leave and good folks stay behind?
Houston is complaining that they got some unsavory characters from LA that stayed and upped the crime rate.

Immediately after the storm all the "less than desirable people" hoped buses to free stuff, once they were done looting. The city was relatively quiet for awhile and a nice place to be. When the elections for mayor were about to be held the good mayor of N.O. sent buses to bus all his "supporters" back to the crescent city. Shortly thereafter the crime skyrocketed. The murder rate was so bad the army had to be activated to control the mayor's "supporters"
Right now mayor nagin is reaping what he sowed as far as the crime is concerned.

I mean really how many American cities have an army patrolling? I know a bunch of the soldiers working "Task Force Gator", which is the name given to the mission, they say they would rather patrol Baghdad versus New Orleans if Baghdad was closer. You don't come across as many jacka***s in Baghdad.

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2009, 05:23:44 PM »

I could add these all day Cry
Yet another shooting victim

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/40293272.html

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