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Author Topic: a very sad day. Australian Bushfire death toll climbs to 190, 6000 homeless  (Read 2466 times)
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« on: February 07, 2009, 03:17:28 PM »

The fires spoken about previously, erupted late yesterday.

Death toll at 25. Most burnt alive in cars. More bodies expected to be recovered.

100s of houses lost. Entire towns destroyed.
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 03:39:47 PM »

the fires suck.  as one who lived many years on S. CA, i know what you guys are going through.  it will pass, but it's pretty scary and sad while it's happening.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2009, 01:11:21 AM »

50 now confirmed dead, over a hundred missing. Its a catastrophe.

Fires will burn for weeks to come.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2009, 10:23:48 AM »

Watching Fox News.......84 now dead. To burn people trying to escape in their cars, the fire must be moving fast.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 11:14:27 AM »

winds kick up and it sprays the fire.  literally picks up bits of it and blows it around.  a clear path one moment and surrounded the next.  lot of people get trapped even when they were not close to the fire and should have had plenty of time. 

i found this interactive map for those of us who are geography challenged.

http://mp3.news.com.au/hwt/Victoria_fire/index.swf
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 08:03:55 PM »

My heart aches for everyone...
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 12:55:22 AM »

Over 1000 houses confirmed lost so far, 131 dead, expected to rise to 250-300.

Of many people, all that is left is a gold ring, or gold fillings, such was the intensity of the fires.

Many continue to burn and will do so for weeks.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2009, 01:07:03 AM »

Mick:

When I was about ten years old, we got caught up in heavy traffic on an interstate highway - the traffic moved in the far right lane, in the left was a car fully ablaze with at least 4 people in it, the scene is as clear in my head today as it was that day - I had never seen such horror and hope to never again. Why they couldn't get out I don't know, all the police had were fire extinguishers and they were like spitting in a campfire.

I can't imagine the last resort of evacuating to get trapped where the safest place was your car, which tragically would be your place of death. I can only pray that smoke had sufficated them long before flames touch them in your fires - although I see where a loaded gun would have been merciful to all. Sad sad days.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2009, 10:22:12 PM »

6000 people are without a home, all they have is the clothes on their backs.

The Army has been deployed to assist.

Hundreds of people remain unaccounted for.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 08:57:35 AM »

Thoughts and prayers are with the Victorians.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 06:24:25 AM »

The wheels of Govt are slowly turning.

However, for the last 4 days, the Victorian Community has been at the forefront of the relief effort.

The Public has taken matters into their own hands, setting up first aid, shelters, kitchens, refuges etc.

The public is housing, feeding and caring for the seven thousand people affected so far.

Im so proud of my fellow Citizens. The Aussie Fighting Spirit is alive and well.

Everything under the sun has been donated. From clothes to food, cars to accommodation.

We have united and formed a force, the likes of which have not been seen since 1942.

The battle is not over, fires continue, next wednesday will be a huge challenge when the wind turns.

Four days on, mothers looking for sons, daughters looking for dads, husbands looking for wives, great grand parents missing. It goes on and on and we have no one to blame.

Thanks to all throughout the world for their support in deed and kind.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 08:59:07 AM »

Our thoughts and prayers are with you Mick.


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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 10:09:35 AM »

Mick,

May I have your permission to copy your post and place it in another forum?  That is without a doubt one of the bravest and most moving things I've ever heard anyone say.

God bless, and do what you can to keep each other safe.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 11:17:21 AM »

Praying for all you.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 07:20:52 PM »

Sure Doc.

Weather is a bit kinder today and and backburning continues in preparation for next week when the heat and winds return.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 03:19:19 AM »

2000 homes lost so far, 7000 homeless, full death toll may never be known. Hundreds still listed as missing. Many towns have not been searched yet, falling trees, blocked roads, fires and the need to treat every incident as a crime scene, makes slow progress.

Entire vehicles and houses were reduced to ash, even brick pillars exploded and burnt. Not ash and coal like on a BBQ. Just a fine layer of grey ash, so hot was the fire. So far, every type of metal known to man has been found melted. The hills are covered in frozen streams of molten metal.

The tales of survivors are as unbelievable as the cruel twists of fate.

The people of Victoria and Australia have raised 80 million dollars in less than a week. some huge donations from actors, singers, celebs etc.

We have 7000 people with nothing.

The reaction of the people has been extraordinary, everything has been donated and I mean everything that an entire town of 7000 people could need. Medical care, clothes, glasses, drugs, caravans, campers, generators you name it, its remarkable.

I'm not having a cheap shot, but a lot of people have said "We don't want those people to end up like the Katrina victims, waiting for the Government to help". 

Theres doctors and vets and chiros and plumbers and Garbo's and you name it, everyone is doing what they can.

Volunteers are coordinating everything, Govt may as well not exist. Red Cross, Salvos, Animal Welfare, all doing their bit.

Insurance companies are advertising for people to claim immediate $5000 payments, no ID required (most people do not have one single document to their name). The Govt agency Centrelink has relaxed ID regs and is making payments in record time. $1000 adult, $400 per child grant has already been paid by the Govt. $10,000 grants to cover funeral expenses have been paid. Every family will have a lap top early next week.

People have taken annual leave, come out of retirement, quit work to help Wink. Bakers are baking free bread, dairy's delivering free milk. People working throughout the night to make meals for firefighters.

If someone rings the radio, the radio has really proved its worth, like id did back in 83, and asks for say, size 9 men's shoes, in one minute, people, stores, manufacturers ring in and say how many and where do you want them? we are packing the truck now. Its been the same for hay, bridles, bandages, bikes, computers. Salt, eyeliner, pegs, toothbrushes, aftershave, sunglasses and false teeth. On day 2, people were donating their own clothes, not rags, their own good clothes, by day 4, people were donating brand new clothes.

A bloke that fixes washing machines, loaded 20 on a truck with a water tank and a pump and a generator, set up a laundry in a field. No names, no pack drill, just knew it had to be done.

You know, we tend to harp on a bit about the "helping your mates out" in this Country. We have constantly asked ourselves if we are as good as they were in 1917, or 1944. Its a shame that it takes a disaster like this to prove to ourselves that we are as good as they were, when the time came.

Its just incredible to see all of this achieved in less than a week, most of it within arms length of a spot fire, believe it or not.

I was worried that we were becoming a nation of people who expected the Government to provide everything. I was worried people would be stupid to organise a relief effort, that they would worry about being sued, that it "wasn't their job".

The exact opposite happened, people, especially people who remember `39 or 67, or 83, took one look at the sky and knew it was bad. Said,  well we are not waiting for people to help, we are the help!

There have been no arguments, no territorial disputes. Some of the most decent and genuine deeds have come from our newly arrived migrants. The people of FNQ who's houses are currently 10 feet under water have handed over THEIR relief checks to go to the fire appeal!

The same crews have been fighting the fires non stop for nearly a week, they will crash very soon. You can only fight a fire 20 hours a day for so long. Help has arrived from Interstate, New Zealand. The US is sending 60 specialists over, the Canadians are thawing their boots. Many countries that experience bush fires have sent over people to learn from this disaster.

When you see a man who has lost his parents, 3 children, wife and house to something caused by nature, its hard to forget.

A man has been charged with Arson causing death in relation to the Churchill fires down where Geoff is. 21 people burnt to ashes down there. Mums, Dads, Kids, War Widows. The Scum was secretly taken to court, charged, and moved 250k to Melbourne where he was remanded in Custody.

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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 11:20:19 AM »

starting a fire that causes deaths should be a capitol offense under these circumstances.  it's not like a campfire got out of hand.  some of these fires were intentionally set and it wouldn't take a genius to figure out the possible consequences.

don't suppose you guys still have the death penalty??  how about life without parole?
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 10:36:45 PM »

In a situation like this Vigilante justice might start cropping up.  When the people get angry enough, and the government doesn't take action quick enough it can happen.  I hope not but it must be guarded against.  I just hope the governments involved are doing the best they can.  As long as the people feel that the government and police agencies are doing their best it will keep the lid on.

In this situation it is obvious everyone is doing the best they can, private citizens, immigrants, police, the military, and especially the professional fire fighters.  My hats are off to them.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2009, 05:10:33 PM »

Oh Mick.  You know that the world's thoughts are all very focused on this horrible thing.  We all wish you all well.  Have that great, safe day, health.  Cindi
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