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« on: February 07, 2009, 02:57:07 PM »

Just recieved this...it's similar to iddee's post, but so long I thought I'd start a new thread.

Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin,

Gun-ban list proposed

Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats
have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when
they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress).
It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce
shortly.

I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity,
It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms
dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've
made little mention of criminals.

Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun
bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process,
confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and
more, in addition to the Second Amendment.

The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15,
AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90,
NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR,

or FNC, Hi-Point Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927
Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable
magazine, SLG 95, SLR
95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or
Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi.

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper.

Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has (i) a
folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip
(which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a
forward grip; or a barrel shroud.

Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rimfire rifles).

A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine,

and has (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel
shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip,
and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more
than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a
pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable

magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a
shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will:

Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic
rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or

a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly
suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General." Note

that Obama's pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for

Jan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you
have no right to have a working firearm in your own home.

In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable
presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or

any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting

purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable
for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a
sporting event."

In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal
officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a
sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that

devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement
with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by
domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause
of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

 Foward or send to every gun owner you know.....

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 03:38:32 PM »

i am going to rethink that yoga class.  i need more flexibility in order to better reach, and hold my ankles.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 04:16:21 PM »

All my guns have recently been stolen or lost out of the boat on the lake.....  rolleyes

I'm shopping around for a few nice guns if anyone has one they want to get rid of. Cold hard cash would be the only paper being handled... Wink
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 10:52:11 PM »

and to think it all started with the gca 68 compromise to keep guns out of the hands of criminals!
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 11:19:40 PM »

read the UN thing on "illicit small arms trade".  let them get at us and congress will seem like bleep cat.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 11:39:08 PM »

That's why democrats are a bad choice for government. You better spread the word now for the next election. And if you hear of a representative for gun control, vote the bastard out. It's only going to get worse if you don't. If I don't call my representative 3 times a week I'm not an American. Another think the democrats did was to make the manufactures of gun shell primers must now have a shelf life. In other words the primers in the ammo you have now will not fire in a few years. It's the governments way to take your fire arms. Thanks Democrats and gun control lobbyist.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 02:33:58 AM »

Another think the democrats did was to make the manufactures of gun shell primers must now have a shelf life. In other words the primers in the ammo you have now will not fire in a few years. It's the governments way to take your fire arms. Thanks Democrats and gun control lobbyist.

Where in the world did you get that bogus information?Huh!!!!!

Have you ever heard of product liability?   rolleyes  A few years ago they tried to add tagants to powders and could not for the same reasons.  If an ammunition is made for self defence it has to work or there will be repercussions in court.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2009, 08:26:11 AM »

Another think the democrats did was to make the manufactures of gun shell primers must now have a shelf life. In other words the primers in the ammo you have now will not fire in a few years. It's the governments way to take your fire arms. Thanks Democrats and gun control lobbyist.

Where in the world did you get that bogus information?Huh!!!!!

Have you ever heard of product liability?   rolleyes  a few years ago they tried to add tagants to powders and could not for the same reasons.  If an ammunition is made for self defence it has to work or there will be repercussions in court.

Sounds to me, just something to attack through the backdoor, through legislation, and through secondary control. The fact they tried in the past, only allows them to back up, change tactics, and go at it from a different angle. It may be step by step, but registering, or "control" is not the goal of these people. It is the elimination of guns in their so-called "perfect" society.

Remember, it is not the person at fault who commits a crime with a gun. Just as it's not the terrorists fault for being the way they are. It's societies fault. Take away the guns, and they can then conform and will automatically be a better person because of it. That's what some think. And they think that if they can impose their way of thinking, to others, by force, they can make others better.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2009, 11:23:32 AM »

They have already TRIED to make the products defective and it wouldn't fly as in the case of the tagants in the powder and smart guns.  Smart guns are so called 'safety' devices that render the gun useless to all but the owner, another backdoor effort to make firearms unavailable to the masses by raising the price to unobtainable levels.

The true threat at this time is the regulation of the ammunition as it is not protected by the Constitution.  Through normal market factors the prices have already risen to three times what they were only a few short years ago.  The cost of metals made the first big jump, then the need for ammunition in Iraq and Afghanistan created shortages, and now with the concerns of the Leftists in power and their gun's and ammo grabbing agenda, not only have the prices gone through the roof but the shelves are bare.

Obama, the gun salesman of the century, has put more firearms and ammunition in the hands of the citizens than any other single person in history.  It's to the point now that the only way to achieve their their goals will be the total ban and or confiscation.  I don't believe for a second that the American people will have a chance to stick to their guns when the gestapo come for them, but there will be violence, perhaps enough to finally sway the people AND the government.

Although the preceding is a scary scenario, I don't believe that it's the government that will be the aggressors we will have to defend ourselves from.  With our economy on the brink of disaster an even more despicable event may turn us on each other mandating the need to protect our families from those that want to harm us and take our means of survival.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 11:35:46 AM »

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,18299.0.html

 grin

we won't fight our own government because we'll never see the changes coming.  this is a soft revolution.  most people don't know what is changing...and maybe don't care.  after all, if you are getting stuff, and being taken care of, why would you fight?
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 12:02:35 PM »

Indeed.  The sheeple are being led to slaughter.   angry  That's why I said that I don't believe that the American people have a chance against the gestapo.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 07:12:47 PM »

See it isn't hard to "become a Jerry"...... Julia Roberts "Conspiracy Theory" with  Mel Gibson.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 08:10:34 PM »

Bullseye Bill is right about the ammunition. Just as there's no longer lead paint because of health risk, with the stroke of the attorney general's pen, lead ammo could become banned...meaning that ordinary people couldn't afford the alternative.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 08:21:00 PM »

And that's the other reason the price of ammunition is increasing so fast.  I'm finding that everytime any kind of ammunition is advertised at a special price you'd better get to the store within 4 hours of it's opening or you'll miss out, and that's for every caliber or guage ever created.  Some types of ammo is almost impossible to get (ie 303 enfield and 223 and most other military calibers) and even sporting ammo is getting hard to find.
Right now it's much easier to obtain a fire arm than it is to obtain the ammunition for it.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 08:42:21 PM »

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product1299.html

 223 Remington (5.56x45mm) 55 gr FMJBT M193 PPU Ammo Case(1000 rds)
 $359.99 On Sale!
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 08:45:19 PM »

i have gone to bi-mart twice when they had a sale.  took the last boxes for the 9 and both times they were out of .357. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 08:55:35 PM »

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product1299.html

 223 Remington (5.56x45mm) 55 gr FMJBT M193 PPU Ammo Case(1000 rds)
 $359.99 On Sale!



Notice that it was sold out, over 1,200,000 rounds in 24 hours.  That's what I'm talking about.
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most people don't know what is changing...and maybe don't care.  after all, if you are getting stuff, and being taken care of, why would you fight?

Bread and Circuses the death of the Roman Empire as well
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2009, 10:44:09 PM »

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product1299.html

 223 Remington (5.56x45mm) 55 gr FMJBT M193 PPU Ammo Case(1000 rds)
 $359.99 On Sale!



Notice that it was sold out, over 1,200,000 rounds in 24 hours.  That's what I'm talking about.


If you go to the home page you find more still in stoke.  grin

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2009, 05:48:32 AM »

Man, I own 3 weapons in that list!!!  Good thing I kept all the original parts to my old Yugoslavian SKS.  If this is true I can still keep at least one of my guns.  Ugh.  It's not fair! 

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