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« on: January 30, 2009, 04:09:44 PM »

Cindi, you inspired this post so here goes. I have many passions and one is keeping herps (frogs, snakes and other reptiles).

The frog you saw pictured in that other post and here: is a pyxie frog, which is short for pyxicephalus adspersus, the scientific name for the african burrowing bullfrog, the second largest frog in the world. http://www.honoluluzoo.org/african_bullfrog.htm

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And here's a pic of my female

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 06:53:43 PM »

Oh gee whiz I am laughing...what comical looking creatures!~

What do they live in?  Do they only eat worms, or must they eat other stuff...

JP you never cease to amaze me.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 07:45:44 PM »

Can you eat them?   grin
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 08:46:17 PM »

Can you eat them?   grin

They are in fact a delicacy where they come from, Africa.


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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 09:14:38 PM »

I think the American bull frogs have more meat on the legs. Those look like all gut and no meat. I'll stick with the bulls.

DVD, I think the female is just finishing a white mouse. It looks like the tail sticking out of her mouth.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 09:18:08 PM »

Im not sure, but I think they can eat cats too!
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 09:22:38 PM »

Im not sure, but I think they can eat cats too!
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Iddee, right on the money, yep, a mouse going down its piehole.

Johnny, if there was a frog that ate cats I would own at least one of them! The really big male pyxies can eat medium sized rats.


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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 09:27:37 PM »

So these things would be better than my lazy cats that watch mice run around all day... Wink
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 09:30:41 PM »

So these things would be better than my lazy cats that watch mice run around all day... Wink

Yes and no. They can eat! But they are ambush frogs that hide under the substrate until a victim walks by then they pounce. As fat as they get they are amazingly agile.


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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 09:31:15 PM »

yeh,....a cat eating frog....I must have been watching a scary movie to think that! But I wonder....does the belly jump around for awhile after eating a mouse or rat?
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 09:55:04 AM »

JP what do you keep them in how often do you feed and what do they cost. My grandkid's loved your pic and want one.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 10:15:21 AM »

JP what do you keep them in how often do you feed and what do they cost. My grandkid's loved your pic and want one.

Irwin, because they don't move around a great deal an adult female can be kept in say a 15g aquarium, an adult male needs more room, a 30g would more than likely be fine but a 40 gallon breeder tank would be ideal for a truly big male.

This is a frog that grows extremely fast! When they get large, feeding can slow down but when small, they need to be offered food every day: crickets, super worms, night crawlers, and probably the best choice, feeder roaches, such as Dubia roaches. An occasional mouse, depending on the size of the frog, pinkie mouse, hopper, mid sized, or adult as an occasional treat, not more than once or twice a month. Adult males will eat more and bigger prey such as pre-killed or thawed, frozen mid sized rats.

Cost can vary from an average of $29.00 For a juvenile to $200.00 for a full grown adult male.

Pyxie frogs live on average, more than 20 yrs, so be prepared to have them around for many yrs.


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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2009, 11:47:19 AM »

JP, oh wow, wow, wow.  I looked at the site for the African Bullfrog, I am shocked and thrilled all at the same time.  I think that you are very fortunate to be able to keep a frog such as this at your house.  I love frogs, snakes, insects, everything like that, they thrill me and intrigue me.  I am now on an agenda to learn more about this species of frog, I kid you not, just for my own thrill of understanding about them.

I am still in awe....I would love to know how much the big boy weighs.  The picture that you show of the two side by side, it is the male that is the bigger?  I think I read that, the male in this species is bigger.  Tell us more.  When you have that time, tell us a story, tell us all about your frog(s), I bet I am not the only one that holds that intrigue and interest, and if you can get more pictures, show us some of that too, I am not kidding!!!  Thanks JP, you have made an extremely interesting post (you have a way of doing that, look at the post that you made about eating healthier, this one may rank up there with that one, smiling).  Have a wonderful and most awesome day, life, health.  Cindi
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2009, 11:56:24 AM »

JP, they are beautiful!  I love the coloring, yellow on the front.  The size is amazing, what kid wouldn't love to have one of those & what fun feeding them things.  I wouldn't like having to kill & freeze rats & mice though... tongue  Do you raise em (rodents) yourself?  What extra vitamins do you give?  Special lights?  Like Cindi, we want to hear more.  J
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2009, 12:10:08 PM »

Yes, the males are larger. Special lightening is not a consideration when it comes to frogs as most are nocturnal. I turn a light on in my frog areas in the morning as it helps them to be aware of a night/day cycle.

Their food does need to be dusted with a herp calcium/vitamin mix to insure they don't get metabolic bone disorder, MBD, about once a week.

I feed live and thawed, frozen mice. I buy them already frozen.

Cindi, not sure how much that big boy weighs, my guess, 3 and 1/2 to 4lbs.

I will be handpicking one of these soon from a gravid female about to lay:

Its a blood python. http://www.a1pythons.com/blood.htm


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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 01:20:28 PM »

didnt your momma teach you not to play with your food?  actually they are interesting.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2009, 10:37:06 PM »

JP, "gravid" an adjective, used to modify a noun.

So, I am impressed with your language, I would have just said "pregnant", smiling.

So....you give the frogs baby snakes?  How big is the offspring of the blood python?  My curiosity is peaked, thank you for beginning this series of fortunate events, meaning, this wonderful thread about "frogs" (and other pets).  I am sure that this will be a very interesting thread, as many people "come out of the closet" about the types of "other pets" they keep, hee, hee.  Bring 'em on.  Have a wonderful and most awesome day, attract that great health.  Cindi
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 10:50:21 PM »

JP, "gravid" an adjective, used to modify a noun.

So, I am impressed with your language, I would have just said "pregnant", smiling.

So....you give the frogs baby snakes?  How big is the offspring of the blood python?  My curiosity is peaked, thank you for beginning this series of fortunate events, meaning, this wonderful thread about "frogs" (and other pets).  I am sure that this will be a very interesting thread, as many people "come out of the closet" about the types of "other pets" they keep, hee, hee.  Bring 'em on.  Have a wonderful and most awesome day, attract that great health.  Cindi

Cindi, my guess as for size of young hatchling bloods would be in the 12"-14" range. I would not feed a snake to a frog unless it was a captive bred hatchling due to the potential introduction of parasites in wild caught specimens.

Gravid is a term used to describe snakes and other reptiles that are pregnant egg layers.

I aspire one day to keep chickens, ducks, guineas amd rabbits for food, and maybe build a rock pile. Wink


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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 11:02:02 PM »

JP, oh beauty, aspiring to beautiful things is nothing short of wonderful.  You feeling this urge that is arising -- to raise these animals to bring food to your table, yes, friend, so it will come to pass.  Sustaining the home with the homegrown foods is nothing short of a miracle, it is a beautiful thought, and you will make it right.  One little step at a time, one by one, on to the finer things in life, sustenance.  Have a great and wonderful day, Cindi
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 11:20:49 PM »

JP, oh beauty, aspiring to beautiful things is nothing short of wonderful.  You feeling this urge that is arising -- to raise these animals to bring food to your table, yes, friend, so it will come to pass.  Sustaining the home with the homegrown foods is nothing short of a miracle, it is a beautiful thought, and you will make it right.  One little step at a time, one by one, on to the finer things in life, sustenance.  Have a great and wonderful day, Cindi

Cindi, you do realize I'm not eating the frogs nor the snake, right? Wink


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I aspire one day to keep chickens, ducks, guineas amd rabbits for food, and maybe build a rock pile. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2009, 11:04:42 AM »

Now JP, Is thisd one of those frogs you lick for entertainment?

I have had many snakes in my day. I had a 10ft retic male. One day I fed it a small/ day old pig. My dad commened it was the same size as my toddler brother and snake was evicted by months end. Love snakes.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2009, 11:51:20 AM »

Oh Konasdad!!!  Holy smokin' smokes!!!  That be one big snake that ate that small pig, I don't blame your Dad, that would be frightful for me too!  That is why about 13 years ago I got rid of my chickens, I let them free range, no wires anywhere.  One day I saw a coyote run out of the bush and grab a chicken in its mouths and run away with it.  My oldest Grandson was only just learning to walk back then, and I pictured that coyote picking up that child and running away with it.  I got rid of my chickens the very next day (but got them again some years later).  Eeeks!!!!!  Have a great, most wonderful day, love our ever-lovin' life.  Cindi
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2009, 01:56:56 PM »

Seth, your dad was very wise to 86 that snake. Retics as you probably know by now get nasty dispositions and are in fact the longest snake in the world. The record being close to 33'.

Hey burmese pythons get 20' and then some but are generally pretty docile for such a large snake. They are illegal to keep in my parish without a special permit. I saw a beautiful albino one the other day at the pet store that was 10'. A private breeder had brought it in to the store.

I knew a guy that owned a 14 and 1/2' burmese, it was a very impressive snake and it was still considered a juvenile!


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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2009, 03:12:59 PM »

Hey JP I know about retics. This was a very gentle one. Being male, he found a home at the Phildaelphia zoo for their breeding program. Turns out gravid females often kill their mates inadvertently in this species. Therefore males became scarce for larger females.
My favorite snake was a red corn snake I got as a 10yo. Lived over 20 yrs. Very gentle and beautiful colors. I always wanted an indigo snake. The coolest snake I ever saw in the wild were sea snakes in Costa Rica. Very cool. Just suspended at about 45ft all colors and such very cool.
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2009, 04:44:45 PM »

What a beautiful snake!  I personally am not into the reptiles, love holding & looking at em but don't want the responsibility for taking good care of them.  I like animals with a little "wiggle room" ie, if needed the chix can eat our leftovers, the cow can be walked to grass...cats & us can eat the eggs & chix..dog can have anything she wants..I know once you get into the routine & know your animals it isn't that much work but for me too many exacting things to worry about, much like a salt water aquarium, beautiful but too much work for me!  You will have to post your new baby when they hatch!  Do they have live babies or eggs?  How long for the eggs to hatch?  Will they use an incubator thingy?  J
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2009, 05:56:48 PM »

I haven't had a snake for about three years. My heater went out while I was out of town and I lost a 12 ft. Anaconda and 6 western diamondbacks. I decided I wouldn't replace them.

Poka-Bee, a large retic can go a year without food, if healthy and well fed at the beginning of the year. It will need water from time to time.
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2009, 07:12:36 PM »

Seth Indigos are way cool snakes. Another very, very cool snake IMO is the western hognose.

Iddee, are you pulling our legs? Seriously, did you own the anaconda and diamondbacks? If so, we need stories man!

Jody, the snake I will be getting is from a friend of a guy I know. I believe bloods are egg layers.


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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2009, 08:43:14 PM »

JP, my son bought 40 acres 1/2 mile past the end of a dirt road. We put a drive the last half mile and set up a mobile home. The first year, it was broken into twice. We went to San Antonia on a business trip and picked up 24 western diamondbacks about 8 inches long. We then spread the word around town.

He never had another break in.   shocked   grin

We sold 18 of them and kept 6. They were about 4 ft. when we lost them.
The Anaconda, we bought at about 18 inches, 1 inch diameter. It was 12 ft. and the size of a softball when we lost it.

We haven't told anyone around here that we lost them.  rolleyes

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 09:00:19 PM »

Did ya'll steal that one from "kill bill?" Or was it "kill bill2?"

Yellow anaconda right? http://www.mccarthyboas.com/BS_2005Tony_Jarl_yellow_Anaconda.jpg


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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 09:09:27 PM »

No, green anaconda...

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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 09:14:51 PM »

Wow, you kept a green anaconda as a pet! I've seen yellows at shows but never greenies, I believe they are illegal to import now.


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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 10:02:39 PM »

Nobody ever said I was smart....  rolleyes

I've also had bobcats, raccoons, hawks, owls, and when in vietnam, I had Bamboo vipers. The most beautiful, fluorescent green snake you have ever seen.
Also had rock pythons over there.

BTW, JP, my brother donated his preserved reptile collection to the Smithsonian, and they accepted it. He was a professional herpetologist in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 10:04:29 PM »

I had a retic too! I traded mine for a tattoo for my dad! They are fast growers, thats for sure! Mine was 7 feet long and wasnt even a year old! I know a guy who was given 2 boas when he was 14...He got arrested for pot and the sherrif gave him two snakes, and 2 iguanas....One snake is still alive...and david is now 50 years old!
hey,...I always wanted an Indigo too!!
 are there any still left in the wild? Last i looked(1978) they were illegal to own as they were dissapearing. I ordered one once,(I worked in a pet shop) and when i got it, it was a greenish color...whattaya make of that?
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 11:08:16 PM »

Maybe he was one of those hippie snakes that drank wheat grass juice and that turned him green, no idea there John. Wink Last time  I checked it was illegal to keep indigos.

Iddee, you ever wake up in the middle of the night back then, wondering if just maybe one of those poisonous babies got out? One of those sweat drenching dreams.

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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2009, 01:59:16 AM »

the story of having a large snake and a baby in the house brings up a memory.  i kept a 12 foot burmese for a neighbor most of one winter,  leroy was kinda cool.  didnt move around too much had a really nice cage that matt brought him over in while they were moving their trailer in net door.  when my middle daughter was born i called matt from the hospital and told him it was time,  move leroy or iwill make a snakeskin wall hanging.  the baby had to come first. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2009, 05:48:47 AM »

I had hermit crabs, not as a kid either - I bought 2 of them in my mid 20s, something seemed cool at the time. I was cleaning their container one day, had them crawling around in the sink. I had just put one back in the container and had the other one still in the sink and I must have touched the single faucet valve and the water got very warm quickly....

I watched as the hermit crab crawled out of its shell and started moving toward cooler ground, it was the weirdest thing I have ever seen up close. I put it and the shell back in the container (I had hoped I didn't cook the poor little thing - it hadn't turned red yet  Cry so I hoped things would work out. An hour later I checked on it and it was back in the shell, I wish I hung around to see it back into it, but I had something I had to do. I kept them another month or so then gave them to my neighbor's little girls who thought they were cool.
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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2009, 10:09:54 AM »

Frozen, I'm with you on the baby comes first deal, a baby is no match for a 12' burmese.

John, I had some fiddler crabs once in a large tank. They're the ones with that big claw on one side. It was funny to watch the males get into those sword fights with their big claws.

And I will never forget the sight of seeing hermit crabs out of the shell, its like seeing guts.


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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2009, 10:16:52 AM »

As a youth I used to catch snakes for money in the pinelands. Regret it today, but it was some of the best fun as a kid.  I saw stuff in the woods that was amazing. At one point, my parents were certain i would grow up to be a herpetologist. I have been been to that serpetarium in Ft. Lauderdale a few times. My dad said" What kind of job can you get as a herpetologist." If he only knew, yikes.
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2009, 02:27:53 PM »

In 89 I worked for a short while on a ranch for bad kids very near the Everglades. One of my fellow workers had a zoology background and we would catch snakes and other things in the late evening when heat was radiating back into space. The roads were freshly blacktopped and all the critters just loved to come out and warm themselves.

I have a picture I would scan and load to show you if I had a better scanner of me holding about 6 different snakes and legless lizards. My friend Dirk had a thing for pygmy rattlers and there were plenty. They gave me the creeps however. I favored the yellow rat snakes which seemed to be everywhere. Some got up to 8' long if I remember correctly.

I remember that it seemed everywhere you stopped there was alligator of some type for sale, fried, picante, shisk kabob...


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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2009, 02:34:12 PM »

I had a retic too! I traded mine for a tattoo for my dad! They are fast growers, thats for sure! Mine was 7 feet long and wasnt even a year old! I know a guy who was given 2 boas when he was 14...He got arrested for pot and the sherrif gave him two snakes, and 2 iguanas....One snake is still alive...and david is now 50 years old!
hey,...I always wanted an Indigo too!!

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Wait what? That my friends is a mean puninshment was he scared of them or something Wink

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« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2009, 08:04:41 PM »

Oh, JP, I too wish that you had a better scanner, I would have loved to have seen ya holding all these critters.  Wonder how you could get them made into a better picture or something so that you could show us.  If you ever have that spare moment in time (now, when might that be, I must be dreamin' eh, hee, hee), see if you can get that picture scanned, somehow, someway, there must be a way, smiling.  Have a wonderful and most lovely day, life, health.  Cindi
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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2009, 09:08:47 PM »

Oh, JP, I too wish that you had a better scanner, I would have loved to have seen ya holding all these critters.  Wonder how you could get them made into a better picture or something so that you could show us.  If you ever have that spare moment in time (now, when might that be, I must be dreamin' eh, hee, hee), see if you can get that picture scanned, somehow, someway, there must be a way, smiling.  Have a wonderful and most lovely day, life, health.  Cindi

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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2009, 09:31:28 PM »

Well keith...if you knew how pitiful david looked at that age, you would understand!!LOL!!
I think the snakes and stuff were actually confiscated during an earlier drug bust and the cop took the opportunity to get rid of them to david! david never did get busted again...oh wait....well maybe only once, but I wasnt there!
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