I want you to succeed Jerrymac. I want all of us to succeed. Sounds like you did a great job with the extraction. I guess my only question is, and this would be for M Bush as well, is how long have you had your bees regressed? I don't remember the dates ( age addled mind) but I don't think it has been very long since he was "wiped out" by the vorroa. One season, or even two, doesn't always equal success. If your bees, michaels bees, are still kicking in a few more years, then I'll jump on the bandwagon. But I think population size, virii infection, mite population are all related in ways we don't yet understand. At times, it seems to me we could split and stay ahead of PMS by simply making increases with a new queen. Other times, it seems nothing will work, and we are doomed to a repeat of history. I'm anxious to here how your bees do.