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« on: January 20, 2009, 11:02:44 AM »

I know most on this forum are displeased , but I am not. Regardless of choice, I am truly astounded that very four years one of the world's most powerful nations can peacefully transfer power without violence. If nothing else, celebrate that!
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2009, 11:22:57 AM »

I'm not displeased, we desperately need new blood in the white house.


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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2009, 11:24:59 AM »

HOORAY, I thought I was the only one in the Obama corner.  I am thrilled.  I join you in celebration!

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 11:27:40 AM »

Regardless of the choice, the people have spoken.  I wish the new president all the luck, he'll need it.  Certainly many things will be on his plate.  Hopefully congress will be helpful during his term.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2009, 11:56:19 AM »

i am not pleased with the choice, but i celebrate the process.  we are one of the few nations that do this and do it without violence.  and...congratulations to those who are pleased  grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2009, 12:04:40 PM »

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You have class! Great response.

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2009, 12:10:40 PM »

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You have class! Great response.

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She really meant to say she is pleased because she voted for Obama, her hero.


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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2009, 12:50:18 PM »

We are all in this together, let's ALL work for the greater good.  My plan for myself, become more involved in helping our great nation, in whatever way I can~

Let us remain on a path of positive thinking.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2009, 01:10:42 PM »

I just checked my gas tank, it was empty and now its full! And my farts just started smelling like roses!!!

Seriously, it is an exciting momentous time in history.  He can sure give inspiring speeches.  I feel sorry for him, he's starting at the top and has only one way to go.

I am worried for the future, though...
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2009, 01:16:47 PM »

'Thought become things, choose the good ones'

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 01:19:54 PM »

he's going to have his hands full with nancy and harry!  JP, tell me the truth  now.  am i having a problem communicating??  Kiss

no president does everything wrong, or everything right.  well....carter might be an exception....  they all make mistakes that have ramifications far into the future and are not recognized until much later.  they all do things right that take may years to be recognized.  some decisions we  pass judgment on immediately in the light of known history, but even then, previously unknown circumstances can prove us wrong.

if obama remembers that it is the individual effort that makes this country great, and not the government program, he will do a good job.  
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2009, 01:36:15 PM »

I like the whole Obama Biden thing - what we are doing now isn't working, let's spend more and borrow it from a National Debt to pay for it - lol.

God Bless out new President I say, I hope he lives up to all his own campaigne's hype.

Most of all, God Bless America, we need to look hard at the way we have let corporate business and banking run us to the ground. We will continue paying for everything until the US GOVERNMENT is the 51% stockholder of ALL AMERICAN COMPAINES - with or without FOREIGN INTERESTS.

I do things and realize that we are blessed, but even the foretold one OBAMA himself said he is NOT going to straignten out tis mess in just 4 years - he's a shoe in even if we are staying afloat. Expect an ADMINSTATION LEGACY of 16 YEARS - of course and old Biden won't stand a chance for a second term as President. He'll come down with John McCane Disease  catch chick a sure ticket to a ONE TERM PRESIDENCY. so I see 12 YEARS of DEMOCRATIC CONTROL - let's see if the REPUBLICANS can find a magic as the DEMS found or made Obama. 12 YEARS.

I wish them and us well.

But come on REPUBLICANS, you need a near middle of Conservative stance  and charasmatic attraction to blow away ANYTHING the DEMS would have in 12 years. You have 12 years to make a candidate, get going GOP.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 01:37:20 PM »

And thus starts the crashing of peoples hopes. Back to reality that government does not, will not, and never has, provided for one's happiness or dreams.

I hope him well. I do not expect much. And I never have from Government. And for those who think their lives will change in amounts of one end of the spectrum to another, based on who sits in the whitehouse, I feel truly sorry for them.

OBama has made many promises. Many people after today will be sitting in their homes waiting for the government to change their lives with everything from free education to millions of new industrial high paying jobs. NAFTA will be rewritten, and socialized healthcare is around the corner. Or so I heard.

Seems like I heard this before with Nancy P.  Seems those promises went by the wayside. I expect much of the same with OBama. I did read that Nancy was jumping the gun and just yesterday was proposing ending the Bush tax cuts.

Yes, this is going to be interesting.  

Let me know when something big happens.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 02:44:26 PM »

I'm not displeased, we desperately need new blood in the white house.


...JP

too bad that's not happening,  looks like the same old liberal dems to me.

Not my choice, but I wish for the best.   But as like others have said previously,  I'm not expecting much, so I won't be hurt as bad as all those who think they never have to worry about paying insurance or put heating oil into their fuel tank.  These are the people that that will be devastated.


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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 03:06:28 PM »

what can i say,  i wish him well,  i just hope that we can someday get common sense back in control but they make new laws just for the sake of making laws. and it's the citizenry that suffers for it.  i wish they would go back to understanding that our constitution was written expressly to limit the power of our government not give it control of our lives. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2009, 05:39:11 PM »

the biggest problem that i see in our future is that we will soon have better than 50% of the population on some form of government assistance.  they will either depend on the government for housing, health care, SSI, or their very jobs.  this + 50% will pay little or no taxes.  since government produces nothing and earns nothing, the only way it pays for programs is to take from those who do produce.  that + 50% will vote to keep and expand their programs at the expense of the producers.  those who produce will not work harder to pay more taxes.  you end up with less and less production, and more and more takers....the welfare state.  it is neither socialism nor democracy.  it is simply stagnation and it all eventually colapses under an unsustainable welfare burdon.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2009, 06:04:32 PM »

I WAS SHOCKED when I found out that UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS only reflect THOSE PEOPLE CURRENTLY ON THE  RECEIVING CHECKS - once you are no longer recieving unemployement checks, they no longer mark you as part of the UNEMPLOYED.

To me that means the numbers could reflect DOUBLE if a resession lasted 3 to 5 years, that is DOUBLE over what they are telling you. Where on Earth would you find the real numbers of unemployed (only those capable of course) because the numbers we see are kinda done like roll-over minute - but in reverse.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2009, 06:26:24 PM »

don't get to excited BM, those numbers are never accurate.  they usually reflect a HIGHER number, not a lower one.  you have to check who is putting out the numbers and what questions they ask.

as an example, when i was laid off from my job once, i was polled by unemployment officers as part of the usual report.  i had collected unemployment for a period of time, but had decided to go into another line of work (for myself smiley ).

they asked:  1. have you collected unemployment in the last year? - yes  2.  have you looked for work in the last year? - yes  3.  are you currently employed? - no.  i went on the rolls as one of the "unemployed". 

it sucks to lose a job, but it happens.  waiting around for someone to fix it is not a solution.  not taking a job because it doesn't pay enough, is not a solution.  living in a state where there is no work is stupid.  move.  i don't have a lot of sympathy for the unemployed who whine.  also, extending unemployment benefits extends unemployment.  there have been enough studies to support this.  guess what?  if people think they might go hungry, or not be able to pay the bills, they magically find work!!  there is  nothing wrong with working more than one job.  nothing wrong with getting rid of the cable, and selling the big screen. 

as high as unemployment was during the carter years, and as bad as the economy was, i do not remember such whining and panic.  we are not even close now to what those years were like!  we are a million miles away from the days of the depression.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2009, 08:02:58 PM »

the offcial stats do not reflect people who have exhausted their ration. Its sort of like saying inflation doesnt include energy and food.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2009, 08:08:52 PM »

After much thought I have come to the following conclusion:Every new President spends his 1st 4 years in office trying to correct the mistakes of his predecessor(s) and making his own mistakes.  The next 4 years, if reelected, is spent compounding the mistakes he's already made and actually getting a few things right.

One thing, good or bad, that you can say about Bush is that he has never looked back or second guessed himself.  It must be nice to have a "do it and forget about it" mentality.

As for Obama, there has been so much hype about what people think he's promised that he's in a no-win situation.  Especially from the extreme left.  I'll support him, as President, just as I have all the others we've had during my llfe time but I still have reservations about many of his positions.

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then they need to go get a job.  i have no sympathy for the chronically unemployed.  my neighbors kid got laid off and is looking for a job that pays him as much as he was making.  if it doesn't, he won't take it.  it's just crap.  he claims he has to many payment on stuff to take a lower paying job.  so...get rid of the stuff.  no sympathy from me for someone who collects to the end of (extended already) unemployment and then still complains that they have no work.

as a side note... the SR of O now has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation.  we also have the 2nd highest min. wage.  but no connection there, huh?  
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i'm not sure that's it.  i suspect he thinks as i do.  if you do what you believe to be the right thing, you do not go back and beat yourself or others up about it later.  you make the best decision you can with the info you have.

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this is my fear.  even though i disagree with him on many things, i disagree more with those in congress.  if he does not have the people behind him, he will not be able to bridle congress.  they are the real danger at the moment.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2009, 08:28:20 PM »

then they need to go get a job.  i have no sympathy for the chronically unemployed.  my neighbors kid got laid off and is looking for a job that pays him as much as he was making.  if it doesn't, he won't take it.  it's just crap.  he claims he has to many payment on stuff to take a lower paying job.  so...get rid of the stuff.  no sympathy from me for someone who collects to the end of (extended already) unemployment and then still complains that they have no work.

I hear you, my SIL is of the opinion that his minimum wage (expertise) is $30 hr and he won't accept anything less.  Needless to say he's been unemployed more than employed.  My daughter got fed up with and told him to hit the road.  I'm now supporting my daughter (while shes gets her teaching Certificate) and her 4 kids to the tune of $1200.00 a month on top of what it costs the wife and I.  Meanwhile he keeps looking for work and contributing nothing to their welfare.

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1st in minimum wage $9.12 hr, 1st in unemployment 14+% is Washington.  Thanks to Boeing downsizing, WaMu bank failure, and Microsoft hinting at layoffs (a new one, they've always been in a hiring mode up to now) besides the usually suspects in finance and manufacturing the problem will only continue to grow through 2009/
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2009, 09:40:37 PM »

I know most on this forum are displeased , but I am not. Regardless of choice, I am truly astounded that very four years one of the world's most powerful nations can peacefully transfer power without violence. If nothing else, celebrate that!



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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2009, 02:15:58 AM »

It was on the TV here live. If you had a bet on certain outcomes, you could get up at 3am and watch it.

I watched the replay. Weird. A combination of Hollywood and Church. Some looked like they were going to a funeral, some a party.

The actual guts of the matter was very quick.

I was hoping for a bit of a decent flypast, but no dice! whats the deal there? I was not happy. Im guessing that it was a directive to play down any military show of strength.

I enjoyed playing spot the bulge with the overcoat guys.

It looked cold. It was way skewed in favour of black people or whatever you can call them nowdays IMO. Thats fair enough I spose.

Yes I agree, time to stop the talk and walk the walk.

I was heartened at Obamas reference to "building the highways and roads and infrastructure" etc. Imagine the cost of Iraq and the Stan plowed back into the economy? Theres your crisis solved in one action.

Now I have grown to like Ole George. I kinda liked his sense of humour. His face always said to me "Look Im busting to talk to you like I would If I wasnt the President, but heres the official line...".

He looked pretty happy and relieved to be off the hook for the time being.

I dont think the worlds economy or any one elses is in crisis. Its all hype. Sure those people on welfare and 30 grand a year the banks loaned 400 grand to to buy a house are in the poo but with interest rates as low as yours and barely any inflation, some people must be doing well?

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2009, 02:53:21 PM »

I know most on this forum are displeased , but I am not. Regardless of choice, I am truly astounded that very four years one of the world's most powerful nations can peacefully transfer power without violence. If nothing else, celebrate that!



some would suprise you that are displeased http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuEc-nFULY8 


Well, he did say he was a mutt!  There actually is a large contingent of blacks in this country who aren't happy at all about Obama.

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I didn't participate in the Obamagasm.  I wish him well, but he definitely wasn't my choice for President.  I'm just happy nothing bad has happened to him yet, I fear that - can you imagine what would happen in this country?  I pray for his safety!


LOL On NPR this morning it was all quiet except I think there was the sound of people laying around smoking cigarettes...
My biggest problem isn't the man himself, its with the weirdness of the mainstream media.

I too really hope that He can inspire people and get the economy going.  After that...well, yes, there are a lot of policies that scare me.

I read a very crass quote on another site: "I hope for his success the same way that I hope a drunk driver gets home safe without causing a horrific accident."
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2009, 04:52:57 PM »

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123249791178500439.html

this is pretty good.  i hope the left and press take some note because juan is dead on with this one.
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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2009, 05:05:47 PM »

The press is neither liberal or conservative. They are opportunists, and negative by its very nature. They will get back to attack mode, just give them time. The same press who applauded Clinton, assailed him by the end. The same press which said "Misssion Accomplished" stunt was the greatest presidential moment ever, attacked him by the end. Obama will enjoy a grace period like all presidents. The end will be dictated by many things, such as 9/11, war, the economy, falling down palne stairs, hostage situations and much more. I grow weary of this liberal media crap. They will be attacking, just a matter of when.
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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2009, 05:34:55 PM »

sorry, the press is liberal. the majority are registered dems and the majority of their donations go to dems.  i agree that they are opportunists, but still liberal.  all that you say about clinton is true, but most took their time investigating the stories about him.  when a conservative does something bad, it's front page news.  a liberal?  it gets shoved to the back somewhere.  they repeat endlessly things like "honest mistake" when it comes to a dems misbehavior, but make (literally) a federal case out of bad behavior from a conservative.  they went after scooter libby, but never a word about the real story with armitage.  they never investigated in depth the story about plame and husband.  they accepted what they were told.

consider the difference in the way the treated palin and biden.  there is so much crap in bidens family that was never reported, yet they descended like a hoard on alaska trying to dig up stuff on palin.  when they didn't find things, they reported rumor.  not a word about bidens son and  his activities, but pages about palins pregnant daughter. 

they showed no interest in obamas associations in ill, and made excuses for rev wright.  instead, they went after mccains wife and her past addiction.

i agree that they will go after obama, but it will be because he makes them mad.  he will not show the proper appreciation for what they have done for him.  it will take some time. they don't want their creation to fail, so they will do their best for awhile to prop him up....if he needs it.

there are two reasons people don't recognize bias.  one is that they have been fed news this way for so long, it seems normal to them.  the other is that we do not teach kids to recognize it in stories.  i remember taking journalism classes where we took article after article and evaluated the writing.  one word can slant a story and the reader does not even realize it unless they know to look for bias.   

last, consider the NYT.  it has become nothing more than a liberal rag.  they no longer report news on the front page, they editorialize as a substitute.  FDR would have shut them down, thrown the editors in jail, and charged them with treason.

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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2009, 07:12:11 PM »

The press is neither liberal or conservative. They are opportunists, and negative by its very nature.

I like that never heard it put that way. Although I do believe they lean left, to say they are opportunists hits the nail on the head

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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2009, 07:27:45 PM »

sorry, the press is liberal.

Have to agree with Kathy on this too.  They may be opportunist, but they still slant left.   Just do a news search on the Ted Stevens and Rod Blagojevich scandals.   See how many of the articles headlines refer to Stevens as REPUBLICAN senator, while you'll struggle to find any that refer to Blago as DEMOCRAT governor.     Why would this be if they weren't trying to hoodwink the public to lean towards the democrats?

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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2009, 10:52:12 PM »

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i agree that they will go after obama, but it will be because he makes them mad.  he will not show the proper appreciation for what they have done for him.  it will take some time. they don't want their creation to fail, so they will do their best for awhile to prop him up....if he needs it.

During the last Presidential election cycle it seemed that almost every cneterlist to extreme left faction decided that Obama was of a like mind.  So many factions have created in Obama an aminal that doesn't exist.  Each faction will soon begin (some already are) to see that their vision of Obama was nothing more than wishful thinking,  When that happens, the press being opportunists, will be among the first in tearing the man down. 

over the next 3 months I expect some very high handed actions from the Obama adminstration that will be excused by the media because he is still their star child, after that, as his various factions lose faith, they will turn and use what they previously excused to defile the man. 

The problem is that, as a Presidential Candidate, Obama has never difined himself, letting would be follows see in him what they wanted.  Now that he is in office he will begin to show his true colors, some will be admirable, and others near treasonist in use of administrative declarations and decrees and interreptation of the Constitution. 
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2009, 09:52:06 AM »

He already had to redo is inauguration huh. Seems he messed up the wording uh oh this might be a tough 4 years Wink

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2009, 09:58:01 AM »

he didn't mess it up.  the CJ did.  not a big deal, but probably keeps nitpickers from ragging on him about it.
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2009, 10:07:38 AM »

I agree not a big deal for Obama but the Yale grad would have be called stupid for the mistake

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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2009, 03:40:37 PM »

he didn't mess it up.  the CJ did.  not a big deal, but probably keeps nitpickers from ragging on him about it.

To get really nitpicky, the CJ said it wrong, Pres. O waited for him to correct it, which CJ did, the Pres. O said it wrong like CJ did the first time...

I thought it was humorous.  I always feel bad for the people up there...nerves must be jangling with a million people staring at them.  Can't say I blame anybody for what happened, doesn't change the oath for me.

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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2009, 07:34:24 PM »

Last night on the news it was said O repeated the oath with the proper witnesses so no one would make a stink about him being sworn in incorrectly.


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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2009, 07:58:18 PM »

I plan to give Obama the same respect and support President Bush received from the dems grin.
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2009, 08:04:33 PM »

I plan to give Obama the same respect and support President Bush received from the dems grin.
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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2009, 02:00:32 PM »

The press is neither liberal or conservative. They are opportunists, and negative by its very nature. They will get back to attack mode, just give them time.

They are both...but to listen to the liberal mainstream, the conservative press are all "bloggers" and are all running on hearsay and are not reputable.
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