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Offline danno

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Oxalic vapor
« on: January 13, 2009, 01:57:54 PM »
Does the oxalic acid vapor treat tracheal mites like the formic acid claims

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 08:29:39 PM »
I would feel pretty safe making that assumption, but I don't know for sure that it's a fact.  I have not seen any specific research to that effect.  But who want's to treat for tracheal mites and perpetuate susceptible bees?
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 08:38:25 AM »
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 12:11:47 PM »
Danno, I am not too sure that O.A. would treat tracheal mites.  I know that Formic Acid is purported to kill tracheal mites though.  I know that these two, O.A. and F.A. are related, so perhaps.  Do you have time to read this that I googled for you?  I don't right now, but it has some good information that I quickly looked at.  I will read it at some point in time.  From one O.A. vapourizer to another, smiling.  Have a wonderful and awesome day, Cindi

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 12:16:17 PM »
I have never been able to find a definitive claim that oxalic acid kills tracheal mites,  but I also agree with Michael about perpetuating susceptible bees.    Just stick with OA and you'll be good in the long run.
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 12:58:12 PM »
but remember, OA is not approved for use in the US.  don't know if that has any impact on marketing honey?
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2009, 01:00:29 PM »
Neither is powdered sugar
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2009, 03:22:00 PM »
maybe i should have put that as a question :-)

does the use of an unapproved treatment such as OA, have any implications when you sell your honey?

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2009, 03:47:03 PM »
maybe i should have put that as a question :-)

does the use of an unapproved treatment such as OA, have any implications when you sell your honey?


the research that i have done says no.  Its a organic acid and is aready present in the hives.  OA is widely used in Canada and europe

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2009, 09:45:15 PM »
The difference in the amount in the honey if you treat with oxalic or don't is undetectable.
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 02:34:51 PM »
Hi,
Slight change in topic, but is there any major difference using the vapor method, with a slated rack on or off.  I would really like to leave it on while doing the treatment. Opinions?

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2009, 09:09:02 AM »
the hive need to be sealed for 10 minutes.  Enterances, screened bottom board and major cracks.   The rack wouldn't matter as long as the rest is closed

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2009, 09:16:51 PM »
 When you register your hives with the State of Fl., you get a set of instructions on using a sugar shake on bees.
 That makes me think it is approved in Fl.. My inspector told me if I used something besides the approved stuff for mites, don't keep it in my honey house so he couldn't see it. I wonder what he was speaking of?
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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 11:44:21 PM »
When you vaporize Oxcilac -if you over heat and pass sublimation point -the vapors turn into formic acid-so it is possible to try and treat with Oxcilac and end up treating with formic anyway -and we already know formic kills T mites-controlling heat is key when you are vaporizing acid-and is hard to do with home made vaporizers-RDY-B

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Re: Oxalic vapor
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 09:08:18 AM »
When you register your hives with the State of Fl., you get a set of instructions on using a sugar shake on bees.
 That makes me think it is approved in Fl.. My inspector told me if I used something besides the approved stuff for mites, don't keep it in my honey house so he couldn't see it. I wonder what he was speaking of?

probably tactik

 

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