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« on: December 29, 2008, 10:37:26 AM »

http://www.dhonline.com/articles/2008/12/28/news/local/1aaa02_road.txt

i need to get back to looking for that cave in idaho.....
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 01:05:34 PM »

Many people are feelings the same way as you from all the comments I am reading. Crazy idea!!!
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 01:39:15 PM »

The gov'nor obviously is dumb as rocks!  What about all of the people using public transportation?  What about the people that don't drive too much? They aren't pulling their weight and paying their share in the great state!  They need to pay as well, since their food comes in over the roads!

There is still one obvious valuable resource that hasn't been taxed yet.  It is owned by the people of Oregon, used daily, necessary, and furthermore is used by non-residents without any compensation!!

Oxygen!  If every citizen and every visitor to Oregon was out fitted with a "breath-o-counter", taxes could be collected based on size and number of breaths, and those that use more would pay more!  Think of the taxes that could be collected, and non-residents would be paying their share!  Athletic games would be a windfall.  This would be an enviromental saviour as well, since those that convert the oxygen to that evil CO2 would be paying!!!  Money would pour in and the great state of Oregon would be cleaner as well!
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 02:24:01 PM »

now that our legislature meets more often and longer, they can't wait to pass more laws and more "fees".  any excuse for an emergency session, or committee meeting!!
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 03:27:04 PM »

Time to build a buckboard and buy a horse.  Let the Horse manure fall where it may.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 05:18:51 PM »

Time to build a buckboard and buy a horse.  Let the Horse manure fall where it may.

I don't know Brian I saw where they wanted to tax livestock for greenhouse emmisions rolleyes
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 07:38:25 PM »

Time to build a buckboard and buy a horse.  Let the Horse manure fall where it may.

I don't know Brian I saw where they wanted to tax livestock for greenhouse emmisions rolleyes
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Yeah, but I can just see the looks on their faces as they attempt to attach a meter to the horses a$$ to get an immiisions reading.
Besides ,I think they have to invent a Flactulance meter 1st and then figure out how to install it without getting the sh** kicked out of them while installing it before they can tax the stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2008, 10:36:51 AM »

scads, good of you to post.  they didn't take mine, but sometimes that happens  smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2008, 11:38:34 AM »

They been talking about a tax on Wells and septic system's too
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 05:48:24 PM »

ok i just dont think that any agency of the government should have the ability to attatch a gps to anybody's vehicle without a court order,  it not only has the ability to record milage and time it can be used to pinpoint your vehicle at any given time and sorry i just dont trust any government agency with my privacy
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 10:09:27 AM »

Looks like it's going federal

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090102/ap_on_go_ot/gas_tax


Motorists' habits spur call for tax increases
By JOAN LOWY, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – Motorists are driving less and buying less gasoline, which means fuel taxes aren't raising enough money to keep pace with the cost of road, bridge and transit programs.

A federal commission created by Congress to find a way to make up the growing revenue shortfall in the program that funds highway repairs and construction is talking about increasing federal gas and diesel taxes.

A roughly 50 percent increase in gasoline and diesel fuel taxes is being urged by the commission until the government devises another way for motorists to pay for using public roads.

The 15-member National Commission on Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing is the second group in a year to call for increasing the current 18.4 cents a gallon federal tax on gasoline and the 24.4 cents a gallon tax on diesel. State fuel taxes vary from state to state.

In a report expected in late January, members of the infrastructure financing commission say they will urge Congress to raise the gas tax by 10 cents a gallon and the diesel tax by about 12 cents to 15 cents a gallon. At the same time, the commission will recommend tying the fuel tax rates to inflation.

The commission will also recommend that states raise their fuel taxes and make greater use of toll roads and fees for rush-hour driving.

Although the cost of gasoline has dropped dramatically in recent months, such tax increases could be politically treacherous for Democratic leaders in Congress. A gas tax hike was one of the reasons they lost control of the House and Senate in the 1994 elections. President-elect Barack Obama has expressed concern about raising fuel taxes in the current economic climate.

But commission members said the government must find more road and bridge building money somewhere.

"I'm not excited about a gas tax increase, but the reality is our current gas tax doesn't pay for upkeep of the system we have now," said Adrian Moore, vice president of the Reason Foundation, a libertarian think tank in Los Angeles, and a member of the highway revenue commission. "We can either let the roads go to hell or we can pay more."

The dilemma for Congress is that highway and transit programs are dependent for revenue on fuel taxes that are not sustainable. Many Americans are driving less and switching to more fuel-efficient cars and trucks, and a shift to new fuels and technologies like plug-in hybrid electric cars will further erode gasoline sales.

According to a draft of the financing commission's recommendations, the nation needs to move to a new system that taxes motorists according to how much they use roads. While details have not been worked out, such a system would mean equipping every car and truck with a device that uses global positioning satellites and transponders to record how many miles the vehicle has been driven, and perhaps the type of roads and time of day.

"Most if not all of the commissioners have a strong belief and commitment that we need a fundamental transformation of the current system," said commission chairman Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a technology policy think tank in Washington.

A study by the Transportation Research Board of the National Academies estimated that the annual gap between revenues and the investment needed to improve highway and transit systems was about $105 billion in 2007, and will increase to $134 billion in 2017 under current trends.

Projected shortfalls in revenue led the National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission, in a report issued in January 2008, to call for an increase of as much as 40 cents a gallon in the gas tax, phased in over five years.

Charles Whittington, chairman of the American Trucking Associations, which supports a fuel tax increase as long as the money goes to highway projects, said Congress may decide to disguise a fuel tax hike as a surcharge to combat climate change.

Transportation is responsible for about a third of all U.S. carbon emissions created by burning fossil fuels. Traffic congestion wastes an estimated 2.9 billion gallons of fuel a year. Less congestion would reduce greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil.

"Instead of calling it a gas tax, call it a carbon tax," Whittington said.

Bottlenecks around the nation cost the trucking industry about 243 million lost truck hours and about $7.8 billion per year, according to the commission.

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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 10:25:04 AM »

Maybe we should take a look at ODOT and there benefit package. Make a few cut's and save a bunch.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2009, 11:27:15 PM »

If people are driving less, and heavy vehicles are being replaced with lighter more fuel efficient ones, shouldn't the roads last longer and require less maintenance? 

Seriously, it's inevitable that all that has to be paid for somehow - unless we're just going to let all the bridges collapse and roads deteriorate until they are unsafe and useless.  However, just now might not be the best time to propose a tax hike.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2009, 12:05:28 AM »

they could stop building leaky Chinese tea gardens and ponds, and use the money on roads.  they could stop building light rail that does not pay for itself and repair roads.  they could stop remodeling state buildings and opening up the bathrooms in city hall so the homeless have a place to _____, and a space to trash, and repair roads.  or...maybe they shouldn't have spent all that money to make all of Portland a free wireless zone, and then not finished the project, and spent the money on roads.

i bet if they let 4 or 5 housewives/husbands at the budget, they could fix it!
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 11:33:51 AM »

they could stop building leaky Chinese tea gardens and ponds, and use the money on roads.  they could stop building light rail that does not pay for itself and repair roads.  they could stop remodeling state buildings and opening up the bathrooms in city hall so the homeless have a place to _____, and a space to trash, and repair roads.  or...maybe they shouldn't have spent all that money to make all of Portland a free wireless zone, and then not finished the project, and spent the money on roads.

i bet if they let 4 or 5 housewives/husbands at the budget, they could fix it!

I live in Tennessee - We're apparently too backward to have any of that stuff yet.  Give us time though. Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 12:12:01 PM »

Do the Amish pay road use tax  huh
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 07:11:21 AM »

Do the Amish pay road use tax  huh

Probably not until they are required to license the buggies.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2009, 03:13:53 PM »

In the "somewhat" related category, a friend of mine just returned from looking at colleges for his daughter. While driving through indiana, his EZ Pass from NJ was accepted for tolls. Over one month later, he received a speeding ticket in the mail. Turns out his travel time across Indiana between tolls exceeded the speed limit, according to the state police. SOOOO, he files a motion to dismiss since the ticket was not filed within 30 days, which is Indiana's statute of limitations. The court agreed, but said defenses must be made in person, not by mail. So he could travel back to Indiana and get it dismissed, or pay it according to prosecutor. Only they forgot one other option, class action suit filed in NJ federal court. He placed an ad in craigs list, found enough people in same boat and threatened to file a class action suit. They dismissed after filing his complaint in federal court!!!!

Who will pay for GPS anyways?
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