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« on: December 30, 2008, 02:58:40 PM »

I've always wondered this and really don't want to search it because we have so much experience here, I always come to the forum with questions I'm sure someone (s) can answer.

I remember as a kid my mom ALWAYS buying Double Yolkers, it was the best thing for me, who perfected the VERTICAL EGG as I called it - simply put, from the second the egg hits the frying pan I oush everything toward the center until the white end up no bigger than the yolks except as the swell, it lifts the egg high into the air. I carefully flip JUST until done, still shaping it so that the finished egg is just over an inch round and over 1.5 inches in height. I loved doing this, could cut into the egg with the fork or smother it with hash browns and gulp that magical golden filled bite into my mouth, proud that it made it perfectly cooked and the whole thing could fit into a spoon Smiley

But I wondered, what happens to double yolkers when left to mature, do they Siamese out on you, die cause of cramped space, live on as separate twins, or what?Huh

I've seen most deformed animals long before the Internet was the state fair and the freakshow, but I can't remember ever seeing a 2 headed chicken or one with 4 legs, etc.. Are these doubles doomed to die, do they never fertilize out, what happens to them?

I'll keep it simple, but I come to you all first for the real truth, I like the Wikipedias of the world and enjoy searching, but when it comes to putting my eggs in someones hands  shocked I always like it to be a friends Smiley Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 04:37:49 PM »

The yolk is not the chick,  it is the food source the embro lives off of while it matures.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 04:44:13 PM »

On a chicken forum I belong to there were 2 people that hatched out twins. They used an incubator and not a broody hen so they could keep tabs on it.
They showed pictures of it when they candled the egg and you could see 2 chicks in there.
I have heard of these eggs not hatching or having issues(which I assume would be due to lack of space and nutrients) but both of these people went on to hatch them without problems.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2008, 07:23:29 PM »

I would think that space is the main problem, a double yolker isn't exactly 2x the size of reg eggs, somewhere between so brooding would be a problem, many more turns??.  Natalie, that is so cool, I'll have to check out the back posts there!  J
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2008, 07:40:09 PM »

Here's one thread from BYC showing the hatching of a double yoker.  Amazing job!
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2008, 05:12:14 AM »

So Rob.... It's the WHITES that is the chicken? All I ever get from the whites is marange. I guess that's why you should stop at choking your chicken and keep away from whipping it to stiff peaks  rolleyes Honestly though, nature is magical - give me an egg and tell me to make a chicken, I'd ask you what are you smoking!



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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2008, 07:56:20 AM »

So Rob.... It's the WHITES that is the chicken? All I ever get from the whites is marange. I guess that's why you should stop at choking your chicken and keep away from whipping it to stiff peaks  rolleyes Honestly though, nature is magical - give me an egg and tell me to make a chicken, I'd ask you what are you smoking!


It is not the whites (clear stuff) as you know it either.  If you look closely,  there is a little white (really white and not clear) glob that IS the chicken.   Now perhaps there are two of these little white globs with double yolkers, but I'ver never looked.
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2008, 11:39:48 AM »

  If you look closely,  there is a little white (really white and not clear) glob that IS the chicken.   Now perhaps there are two of these little white globs with double yolkers, but I'ver never looked.

My wife was fixing breakfast this morning and I asked her to keep a look out for this, we get a lot of double yolks around here and sure enough we had one. She said it appeared to be one white glob attached to both yolks.

We had a really small egg awhile back that we thought wouldn't have a yolk. It turned out to have two and very little clear stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 01:44:03 PM »

The white globby part that stradles the yolk and white is the chalaza. It attaches the yolk to the white.
The actual chick would form from a small white dot, called the germinal disc if it was fertilized and that is usually located off to the side of the yolk but can be further up.
You would know it was fertlilized if you see a dot in the center of that disc, like a bullseye.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 02:14:09 PM »

So Rob.... It's the WHITES that is the chicken? All I ever get from the whites is marange. I guess that's why you should stop at choking your chicken and keep away from whipping it to stiff peaks  rolleyes Honestly though, nature is magical - give me an egg and tell me to make a chicken, I'd ask you what are you smoking!





Ok my head might be in the gutter on this one but this reply is awfully close to being banned grin grin grin grin Wink Wink Wink

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 06:01:10 PM »

i hope you're just giving john a hard time or we might see who gets banned lol evil
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 06:07:30 PM »

So Rob.... It's the WHITES that is the chicken? All I ever get from the whites is marange. I guess that's why you should stop at choking your chicken and keep away from whipping it to stiff peaks  rolleyes Honestly though, nature is magical - give me an egg and tell me to make a chicken, I'd ask you what are you smoking!
Ok my head might be in the gutter on this one but this reply is awfully close to being banned grin grin grin grin Wink Wink Wink
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I was going to say something but decided against it. You're not going to put it on the internet are you?  tongue  embarassed
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2008, 10:55:48 PM »

Please take (2) two" eggs. one from chickens that have roosters with them.
One from those that has (no) roosters.
Now take these two eggs and crack in separate cups.
Study each very closely.
See if you can find a real difference.
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2009, 08:51:50 PM »

There's a thread on BYC that explains what a fertilized egg looks like.  I don't think I should post her pictures here, so if you're interested, check the link, the explanation is in the first post.
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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2009, 09:48:45 PM »

That is some good Info, thanks.
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2009, 09:20:22 AM »

I hear that fertilized eggs are lower in cholesterol is this true ??
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2009, 11:42:34 AM »

I hear that fertilized eggs are lower in cholesterol is this true ??


Irwin, that sounds hokey to me, but hey, ya never know, I doubt it though.  I was  in the doctor's office last week and there was a pamphlet I read on eggs and the bad rap that they are getting, to do with cholesterol.  Anyways, they went on to say that people SHOULD eat a few eggs a week, the omega 3 fatty acids are extremely good for you. 

Anyone here who has chickens, or anyone else, read this article that I have linked here http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/livestock/poultry/bba01s04.html.  Some very interesting stuff going on.  Have a wonderful day, great life and health.  Cindi
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2009, 11:52:56 AM »

I can't imagine being fertlized changing the level of cholesterol.
I just read an article in Mother Earth News about how free range eggs have higher omega 3 fatty acids and lower cholesterol.
I am assuming its all the vegetation and the variety in their diets.
I remember when they were saying that you shouldn't eat eggs more than once or twice a week but now they are recommending them like you said.
I know that when they came out with those egg beaters it was suppose to be so much better for you, I hate when they try to improve the real thing.
 There is a commercial farmer on another forum who said that those types of pourable eggs are from all the unsellable eggs, usually the ones that are cracked or whatever other reason they could not be packaged.
He said to stay away from them because we should be leery of the fact that they were cracked and who knows what got in there.
I don't know the flip side of this, but thats what he said.
It makes me wonder if thats the real reason they came up with the idea of the egg beater type of eggs, maybe they were trying to capitalize on all the eggs that get broken or are mishapen or whatever other thing that would make them unsellable and save/make some money from them.
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2009, 03:02:31 AM »

The difference between a fertile and infertile egg is one sperm cell.  That's not going to have a noticeable impact on the nutrition of the egg and is barely noticeable even when you know what to look for.  Such a myth probably developped for the same reason as the myth that brown eggs are healthier.  Pretty much all that's sold in stores in the US are plain infertile white eggs.  Until the more recent cage free and organic movements brown eggs and fertile eggs came from farms and backyard flocks.  There is a huge difference in the cholesterol level and health of an egg from chickens kept in these conditions versus the chickens that those store eggs come from.  So in that case brown and fertile eggs are much healthier but it's not because they are brown or because they are fertile.  It's because the chickens are treated better and have a larger variety to their diet.

Egg beaters, other liquid products, powders, and most of the egg in baking goods and other packaged foods are the rejects.  Commercial eggs are carefully candled and sorted to only pick out the perfect ones without blood or meat spots, deformed shells, etc...  Those are sold in cartons.  All the rest (and if you raise hens you know that's a good portion especially for pullets) are thrown into the various other forms so you never see the imperfections.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2009, 11:18:50 AM »

So true about the imperfections!  Funny thing is that the imperfections are egg-xciting  rolleyes  to my customers, they always want the weird ones, like where's Waldo!  BTW, Welcome akane, I see you only have 2 posts so are newish! grin J
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2009, 12:15:06 PM »

I am sorry to have to disagree that most of the eggs sold in stores are fertile.
The egg producers do not  feed males for egg production.
Most are cage layers, 5 to the square foot.
Fertile eggs for the purpose of hatching are produced from a flock free to run loose in the chicken house. Ratio, one rooster to 5 hens.
So if you have a house with 5,000 layers for egg production, you would feed 1,000 roosters for no purpose. Does this make any seance? :)doak
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2009, 04:00:12 PM »

I am not sure I follow, who said most eggs in the stores are fertile? I saw a couple of posts back that most of the eggs sold in the stores are INfertile.
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2009, 04:04:17 PM »

Yes, you are right.
Sorry, I misread.
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2009, 11:37:52 PM »

NO WAY, that is UNFORGIVEABLE!!   grin How dare you be human and make a mistake. Smiley
There is no problem, I just thought I was missing something at first and then read it a couple of times and tried to figure it out, just making sure I was following this correctly, mostly because I have had so many people who either buy my eggs or I give them to question me about this very subject.
I am trying to educate myself about this for my customers.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2009, 09:47:17 AM »

I wish I could find people to buy my eggs. I have a refrigerator full. Figured I am going to package up a bunch tomorrow and give them to the food bank before they get to old.

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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2009, 11:50:54 AM »

Jerry, oh that is a bummer.  Do you like pickled eggs?  Ever tried one, oh they are so ding dang yummy.  That is what I do when I have an over-abundance of eggs, rarely happens, but hey, ya never know.

Another thing.  Sit up a road side stand for a couple of hours, you would be surprised how many people may drive by and see the home grown, free range eggs, and scoop them up.  Good luck.  Sorry that you may have to give them away, after putting out money for the food for the birds.  Have a great and most wonderful day, health.  Cindi
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2009, 12:03:25 PM »

Got a sign out front.... yes people see it. Craigslist, two local yahoo groups, Posters scattered about. Word of mouth.  huh what have I missed  huh

People say they want some. I give them directions to get here or mention could make other arrangements, and then I never hear from them again.

Free range chicken eggs!!!! How can you pass them up?
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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2009, 12:45:53 PM »

I remember we use to buy Double yoke eggs by the dozen in grocery store's back in Louisiana when I was growing up, never seen one hatch, but I haven't paid attention in the store's the last 20 years, wonder if they still sell them? 
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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2009, 07:43:41 PM »

Oh poor doak...its okay. Smiley

Jerry, maybe you could get a table at a farmer's market this spring. You would definitely sell them there. People go there looking for that kind of stuff.
I just started selling mine, I was just giving them away but now word gets around and people offer to pay me for them, so they are now officially customers.
I trade them for haircuts at the barber shop, and my son who has his own chickens sells them on saturdays up at the shop.
He also has customers at his school, the principal, the school nurse and 2 teachers asked him to bring some in last friday. Not bad money for a 6 year old kid.
I got an e-mail yesterday from a woman I know who wanted to know what I charge because she and some friends want to buy some and I took my daughter to a birthday party today and a mom there heard I have fresh eggs and asked to buy them weekly instead of getting them at the grocery store.
So for me it just kind of happened without really trying, but I plan to sell some at a farmer's market this year as well.
I think if you get a table and sell them people will buy them from you year round even with the markets over for the season.
Do  you have a feed store that could sell them for you?
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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2009, 04:00:02 AM »

I get the chicken food from Tractor Supply. The only other feed store I know of I have been in there once and will never go back. On another occasion my daughter went in there and she will never go back. Those people are stuck up..... Can I say a-holes? Don't know how they get any customers.

Maybe it's just us...... Nawwww

We have thought about the farmers market and perhaps try a road side attempt.

How long can you keep eggs in the refrigerator any hows  huh
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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2009, 12:16:33 PM »

Its funny but I get the same feeling from one of the feedstores near me. Hi, they work at a feedstore, not a snotty boutique.
You can keep eggs for a long time. I read an article in mother earth news where they did a study for a year on different methods of keeping eggs to preserve them and even just in the frig they will last 6 months easily.
Nothing bad happens to them except they lose their flavor and their firmness.
How about pickling them? I never like pickled eggs myself but my husband loves them. I just found this recipe in a book I bought and you pickle the eggs with whole canned beets.
The outer eggs turn a pretty purple color but the inner eggs stays white and yellow. They look really pretty when sliced, especially served on top of a salad or as a garnish on a plate.
Now, since I don't like pickled eggs I didn't really want to try these, but they were GOOD!
They have applecider vinegar in them too, they are kind of tangy between the cider vinegar and the beets.
It takes all of 2 minutes to put them in the jar with the ingredients after you boil them.
The thing is, you know how hard it is to peel eggs that are real fresh, use the older ones if you can, they are easier to peel.
If you don't have any that are older, leave some out on the counter for a few days and then cook them, they will have aged enough out of refrigeration to cook and peel easily.
The other trick I have heard is after you boil them, drain the water out of the pan and bang the eggs all around in the pan so they are cracked all over and then fill the pan with ice and water.
Its suppose to make them easier to peel.
If anyone wants the recipe for the pickled eggs and beets let me know and I will post it.
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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2009, 12:29:36 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2009, 03:35:34 PM »

Oh Doak, you are making me sad.....why are you cryin'?  Are you teasing, or are you upset about something, please speak your mind, friend, be happy, not sad  Smiley Smiley Smiley

Natalie, post that recipe for the pickled eggs, PLEEEEEZE!!!  I have a pot of eggs that I am waiting to hard boil to pickle and can't find a recipe.  Now, isn't it true, that good things happen to those that wait.  And I have been waiting for a recipe, its that law of attraction, you know, smiling.

Anyways.  I have found the clue/key, call it what you will, for peeling hard boiled eggs.

With this method, I could peel a hard boiled egg that had just dropped out of a chicken's bum, hee, hee.

It works EVERY time.  I have done this experiment over and over to see if there is any diversion, nope.  It works.

Hard boil the egg(s)
Remove from the burner
Place the pot in the sink
Run cool water over the eggs
Immediately (and I mean that, as soon as the egg is cool enough to handle), (that only takes about a minute) pick up an egg.
Bang that egg against the side of the pot, under water, (leave the water in the pot)
Now begin to peel that egg above the water, not in it.  The peels come immediately off with nothing sticking, whatsoever
Place that egg back in the water until you are done
You are done

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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2009, 05:25:14 PM »

Alright folks here it is.

               Pickled Beets and Eggs

6-12 hard cooked eggs, peeled
8 small beets, cooked peeled and quartered or one 15 ounce can whole beets, drained.
1 1/2 cups apple cider vinegar
1 1/2 cups water
2 teaspoons kosher salt
2 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon yellow mustard seeds
1/2 red onion sliced

1. Place the eggs and beets in a glass conainer or jar with a tight-fitting lid.

2. Place the remaining ingredients in a small saucepan and bring to a boil for 3 minutes.
    Remove form heat and let cool down to lukewarm.

3. Pour the contents of the pot over the eggs and beets.
    Refrigerate for at least a day and eat within 2 weeks.
     
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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2009, 05:31:54 PM »

Natalie, oh wonderful.  I will make some with beets and I want some without beets, I imagine the recipe for pickled eggs would be the same, but without beets.  Oh I do so love pickled beets too, yum, yum, thank you for taking the time to post this.  Have a great and awesome day, Cindi
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2009, 07:45:54 PM »

No cindi, I'm ok.
But if you are having problems with your hens laying unwanted hard boiled eggs.
Just increase the amount of crushed ice you feed. :roll:doak
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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2009, 08:55:23 PM »

Doak, OK, I think that you may have an odd sense of humour, which I really, really like and that is great, smiling.  Have a wonderful and most awesome day, Cindi
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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2009, 09:36:45 PM »

Steam fresh eggs don't boil them.  I've peeled even laid that day chicken and quail eggs perfectly with steaming.  Follow all the same steps including rinsing under cold water right after you remove from heat but use a veggie/rice steamer or put a strainer basket on top of a deep pot with a lid and put the eggs in there instead of directly in the water.  You might have to rinse really fresh eggs more than once in cold water while peeling but with practice I only mess up maybe 1 every dozen and then it's usually just a split in the white that isn't noticeable if you aren't slicing them for deviling.
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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2009, 10:16:49 PM »

Cindi don't worry about doak he is just upset about the beat down I gave him earlier, and I don't want to have to do it again doak  grin
I gotta tell ya though doak, those crying smilies really get to me, they actually really make me feel bad.
Make some pickled eggs with beets and you will feel better, they are so purty that they make you smile.

Cindi, I think the recipe for pickled eggs is pretty flexible, I didn't have any onion so I just skipped it and they came out fine. I think there is room for substitutions and all that, its not like when you are canning and have to follow things to the letter or risk screwing up the whole batch.

Doak, what do you feed if you want the hens to lay boiled eggs already peeled? It sure would save some time.


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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2009, 10:19:19 PM »

Doak, what do you feed if you want the hens to lay boiled eggs already peeled? It sure would save some time.

Ha, now I gotta stick around to hear the answer, smiling, wonder what Doak will say to this one, smiling.  Have that great day, Cindi
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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2009, 04:55:11 PM »

               Pickled Beets and Eggs

6-12 hard cooked eggs, peeled
8 small beets, cooked peeled and quartered or one 15 ounce can whole beets, drained.
1 1/2 cups apple cider vinegar
1 1/2 cups water
2 teaspoons kosher salt
2 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon yellow mustard seeds
1/2 red onion sliced


Is it OK to substitute canned sliced beets?
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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2009, 05:10:37 PM »

Jerry, absolutely!!!  Cindi
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2009, 06:07:30 PM »

I did Jerry and it was fine.
Make sure you tell use how they came out. My husband was just eating some of those last night. He loves them. The apple cider vinegar smells a little strong, but its suppose to be good for you.

By the way everyone, remember when I set those olive egger eggs? I had 6 olive eggers hatch between last night and today.
These were from a cross between my black copper marans rooster and my easter egger hen.
They came out looking alot like the marans, black with white throats and bellies and feathered shanks.
They are suppose to lay a very deep olive egg with speckles.
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2009, 06:09:21 PM »

Oh Natalie, those little chickies sound like they are so ding dang cute, do you have a camera, smiling....have a wonderful and most beautiful day, health be with us all.  Cindi
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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2009, 06:40:15 PM »

Natalie, those sound very cute, you will have to post pics for us!  It will be interesting to see how they turn out! Love seeing how the different traits show.  I am getting some Maran & Wellsummer chicks 1st week of March for the dark eggs, there may be a roo in the bunch, we shall see.  One of my EEs already lays a fairly dark egg, I was surprised actually at how dark it is. Now get that camera snapping girl, we wanna see chicks! grin  J
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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2009, 07:06:04 PM »

Jody, get your camera and show me a picture of that ee egg, I wanna see it, that is so cool.  Can't wait for you to get your chicks!!!  Have that great and awesome day, Cindi
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2009, 11:57:33 PM »

Cindi, I added pics to the picassa album in the posts about the baby pigeon, there is one of the eggs from today. One of the EE's lays a verty pretty lighter bluish but didn't lay one today..new ones of the cow,chix & my honey pot Amanda made too!  J
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