And there is always the Math professor phd who had no idea how to open a window. :roll:
WE'RE HERE FOR THE BEES!
After 7 pages, my conservative Calvinist opinion is that it is time to put this thread to bed. After one, two, three posts, it is obvious that nobody is going to change their minds. If it is rough and tumble endless contentious discussions that you want, there is that other beekeeping site that many of us are members of. I'm actually here because I get really sick of that when I want to read about the bees.
Nothing we discuss here is going to stop the Palestinians and the Israelis from shooting rockets at each other. Or the hutus from slaughtering tsutsis or... kenyons or nigerians or iraqies or whatever.
Wars and rumors of wars.