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« on: December 29, 2008, 05:09:29 PM »

This one seems to be headed down the crapper quickly for hammas/ Palestinians. It seems America is allowing Israel's leash to get a little long, normally the US holds a short leash. I am all for the Israeli's defending themselves I believe the only way to win the war on terror is to kill every single one of them. To me  negotiations with the terrorist is a waste of time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473448,00.html


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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 07:06:40 PM »

Hammas calls off a 6 month ceasefire. Then for 8 days, they send in rockets to Israel. Then Israel bombs the crap out of them. Golly Gee......didn't see that coming.

Of course Israel is always painted as the aggressor.

So I think what they do is this. For every rocket fired into Israel, they send a 500 pound bomb back. That way, it's one for one.

Of course if it was me, I would of flattened the place by now. So much for the elected officials (Hammas), the PEOPLE (Palestinians) voted on to provide prosperity and security.

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 07:15:39 PM »

This one seems to be headed down the crapper quickly for hammas/ Palestinians. It seems America is allowing Israel's leash to get a little long, normally the US holds a short leash.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473448,00.html


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seems you dont quiet know how things work, you notice they didn't ask permission, this country is a lot run by Israeli's, we back them 100 percent and I think we should, in the Bible it says they will win in the end, thats the side I want on.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 07:51:39 PM »

This one seems to be headed down the crapper quickly for hammas/ Palestinians. It seems America is allowing Israel's leash to get a little long, normally the US holds a short leash. I am all for the Israeli's defending themselves I believe the only way to win the war on terror is to kill every single one of them. To me  negotiations with the terrorist is a waste of time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473448,00.html


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Heck, I'd take the leash off and let the dogs loose.  1967 here we come.  If the Gaza strip is two miles wide howmany bulldozers placed side by side would it take to move every thing back to the Sinai Pennisula?  At a speed of 2 miles an hour even a baby could outcrawl the advance.
Israel has bent over backwards to achieve only temporary truces with the Palistanians, and all they get is critism when they shoot back after putting up with several days of rockets down their Toukas, excuse me Aeshak. 

give me a Break.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 08:03:57 PM »

while i agree that israel has every right to bomb them back to the stone age, you do have to feel for the every day "palestinian".  they don't even know how they got where they are.  they have been lied to for 3 or 4 generations and actually believe that they have been displaced by the evil jews.  i doubt you can find one person in gaza who can give you an accurate history of the so called "palestinian movement".  not one understands that they have been used for generations as pawns in by other arab countries.  no one knows that they are where they are because their movement, in all it's various forms and names, didn't start in 1946, but in the 1920's and was an islamist movement that had nothing to do with israel.  they don't know that they have been robbed blind by their own leaders, or that they have had several chances to have a homeland and those chances were trashed by thier leaders. 

where they must be held fully accountable is in allowing terrorists to set up in schools, put rocket launchers on home roof tops, and hide among the population.  this is another one of those times when the people lack the will to stand up, and they pay the price with their lives.

my concern is with the Iranian involvement.  they may see this as a chance to attack or support attacks on israel.  it's not like they need much of an excuse.  knowing that we are having a change of command may embolden them to act. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 08:20:53 AM »

This one seems to be headed down the crapper quickly for hammas/ Palestinians. It seems America is allowing Israel's leash to get a little long, normally the US holds a short leash.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473448,00.html


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seems you dont quiet know how things work, you notice they didn't ask permission, this country is a lot run by Israeli's, we back them 100 percent and I think we should, in the Bible it says they will win in the end, thats the side I want on.


I think I do, watch and see. Right now America is all for what Israel is doing wait until the Arab states start to get fed up they will put pressure on the US and the US inturn will put pressure on Israel. It happens everytime. Do I agree with it He** no. I think like Brian said Israel should wipe them back to the Sinai. Could you imagine if Mexico or Cuba routinely sent missiles into our country, or if they sent suicide bombers into our streets. America would retaliate and bomb those countries into oblivion.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 10:26:51 PM »

you got a point , that does happen, but in the end I believe we will side will Israel when it come to choosing side, the USA has some how put itself in the "World Cop"  mode, most everyone will turn to us now when something starts, thanks to our can't tend to this country first government!!!
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2008, 01:47:21 AM »

So many views...

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 04:46:02 AM »

This fight has been going on all my life and I am sick to death of hearing about it. Two sides want the same piece of land, neither will give an inch. Its a conflict almost as old as time itself. Only spears are now missiles and rockets.

Hitler set up a lot of the current conflict. When he deported the Jews early on in his madness.

It wont end in our lifetime unless one side exterminates the other.

Im just sick of the world having to deal with this. Im over whos right/wrong, I dont care anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 09:57:23 AM »

dvd, that proves there are uninformed thumb suckers in every country.  the weakness of the current israeli admin. has invited attack.  not that much invitation was needed.

in order to understand what is happening today and for the last few years, you must understand who the "palestinians" are and where they came from.  hint: there is a reason i put the name in quotes, and you have to go back way before hitler to understand where the current conflicts started.

there are two ways for this to end.  1. the arab countries can solve the "palestinian problem", as it was their own creation.....although, to be fair, they had good reason to expell these terrorists. or 2.  israel can blast them off the face of the earth.

there is no middle ground, and to try to find it, is to invite continued conflict.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 03:18:16 PM »

Wasn't all the rocket attacks and suicide attacks supposed to stop if Israel moved from  the Gaza strip?Which incidentally was a good defensive piece of ground for Israel.I'm referring to the Gaza Heights district which is a strategic place to launch ocket attacks.
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 07:14:34 PM »

Well, twt, I agree with the way you think Smiley
 I figure, if the bible is right(Which I do believe) the world WILL eventually turn against Israel..I'm praying that the US always stands behind Israel no matter how bad it appears to the rest of the world. I sometimes think That the US being Israels friend is possibly why its taken this long for our Govts neglect to  destroy us as a rich nation. But, simple me, I believe the day of reckoning for our arrogance and wastefulness of the worlds resources, and attempting to pretty much rule the world, is just around the corner. Its really a bad thing about the people just trying to make a living, regardless of Jew or Palestinian, when they get killed for nothing.
 I'm pretty much waiting for the day when God shows the entire world who's been in charge all along for the last zillion years!...hmmm...2012? grin

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2008, 08:50:12 PM »

israel was foolish to give them anything.  these are the children of generations of terrorists.  terrorists against arab countries first, then against israel.  they are taught to hate jews in nursery rhymes, cartoons, school lessons, and games.  there is no cure for this kind of hate except death or change of heart on all levels.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 12:19:22 PM »

Wow. Kill them all.

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I does need to be pointed out that 99% of Christians who have ever lived disagree with that. Historically Christians have always believed that the Church is the true Israel. It's only a small sect of largely American Baptist churches that think there is anything in the Bible about the secular State of Israel winning a military conflict at some future date. Those people may be right, of course, but it still needs to be pointed out that they are in a very tiny minority.

Currently, 25 percent of those allowed to vote in Israel are Arabs (3.5 million Arabs who were born in Israel's borders do not have the right to vote in Israel). Those Arabs have 5 kids each, while Jewish Israelis have 2 kids each. Personally, I'd be inclined to withhold US money and diplomatic support until a viable and contiguous Palestinian State is formed, but hey, that's just me. Maybe the world will end before Israeli Arabs win by the ballot rather than home made rockets and nobody will have to worry about the future.

Israel was conquered twice in Old Testament times, and Jerusalem was taken by armies 12 times since then. Again, if the End of Times is just around the corner, Israel's pretty safe, and can flaunt international pressure, as long as it has US backing. But all this hinges on us living in the Last Days, doesn't it?
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 02:11:52 PM »

12+ million people who live in the US do not (should not) vote in US elections. 

i am neither baptist, nor particularly religious, but if you use the bible as history, not only can you trace the lineage of jews but the nation of israel.  if you read the bible as fact and believe prophecy as a literal picture of the future, you must believe that the end times prophecies are talking about an actual nation of israel attacked and protected by god.  whether that is a current or future nation of israel remains to be seen.  archeology as verified much of the history written in the bible and continues to do so.

all that aside, when a nation is attacked without provocation, they have the right to not only defend themselves, but eliminate the threat.

the US was the biggest single nation contributer in aid and money to the "palestinians".  we do not contribute to the hamas section any more.  that money was taken by the "palestinian" leaders and now banked for the comfort of their heirs in places like france....billions of dollars.  imagine what could have been done with all that money and aid if the leaders had actually care about having a successful nation.  the west bank continues to receive aid.

when the UN, in order to solve the european "jewish problem", gave the area of palestine over, it was to be divided 25% to the jews and 75% to the arabs so that they could created a nation of palestine to solve THIER OWN TERRORIST PROBLEM with the arab islamic movement.  the arab countries failed to do this. instead, they called the arabs out of the area that had become israel and attacked.  those called out of israel are the only legitimate occupants of the area of palestine and they were a small number.  many have returned to israel to live and work, but you can understand why israel might be a little cautious about the intentions of a bunch of arabs living in their midst.

the rest of the so called palestinians are terrorist who were kicked out of egypt, jordan, lebanon, and syria.  they were a terrorist movement dedicated to a united palestine under islamic rule.  it would have included jordan, syria...etc.  the descendants of these terrorists make up the majority of those who no call themselves "palestinian".  the palestinian movement, under various faction names, began at the turn of the last century.  a fair number of those who came out of that movement went on to join and form other terrorist groups.

that is the RD version.
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2009, 03:34:56 PM »

Was Jesus Christ a Christian  huh
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 03:36:27 PM »

Was Jesus Christ a Christian  huh
Jewish, at least until he died.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2009, 03:56:55 PM »

no.  he was the fulfillment of jewish prophecy.  the messiah.  there are christian jews.  christianity is the recognition of jesus as the expected messiah.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2009, 04:55:50 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475664,00.html

And it begins, or at least gets louder. The cries for Israel to stop. Why is the world asking Israel for the cease fire? It seems Hammas is still firing rockets everyday into Israel. How about asking Hammas to stop?

The reasons for not asking hammas to stop are many, but, the main reason is because hammas will never stop until Israel is gone from the map.

Israel needs to do exactly what they are doing, hunt street to street, tunnel to tunnel, alley to alley, go to every corner these terrorist hide and kill them.

International pressure should not be against Israel it should stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel as they exterminate this vermin from the Earth.

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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2009, 07:30:28 PM »

Listening to NPR on the way home from work, the plight of the poor innocent palestinian children walking down the road getting hit with shrapnel, the poor palestinian parents all worried about their baby girls and all I can do to keep from shouting at the radio

"THEN STOP FIRING OFF ROCKETS YOU BRAINLESS ..."  (oops, got the forum rules reposted better stop there Wink )

<sigh>  At least we have a new president who is sure to be able to bring peace to the area along with all of the other miracles he will be performing.
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