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« on: December 18, 2008, 12:27:24 PM »

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=RuiningMovies&gt1=27004

i don't remember who wrote the grammar post a long time past.  it's one of my buttons also.  we all screw up our grammar from time to time, so a refresher course is great!  + this is funny.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 12:49:59 PM »

Yeah. Some people want to poke their noses up in the air and demonstrate how much smarter they are than other people.  grin

Me? I have an excuse...

I am a hunt and peck typer and most of the letters are gone from my keyboard.

I have a redneck reputation to uphold.

I was deprived of a proper education by the system.

I was born with a social handicap and haven't a clue as to how to drag myself up form the depths. Would you just do it for me?

I'm multitasking. Trying to think and type at the same time.
 
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 01:52:18 PM »

ever hear a high school student interviewed for the news?  it's like special...and wow man, it's like they quit teachin' like english like in school!  guess english and grammer were replace by the all important diversity class. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 02:01:17 PM »

Jerrymac, GOOD ANSWER !
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 02:37:04 PM »

Jerrymac, GOOD ANSWER !

Which one  huh
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 02:58:14 PM »

Me agrees with you.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 03:00:25 PM »

That reminds me of my 4 year old's worst grammer mistake :

"No I amn't"

(as in "You are a cute little boy."  "No, I amn't")

I just love hearing that one.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 03:30:20 PM »

You are setting everyone up Kathy.
Are we not talking about GRAMMAR.
A grammer would be someone who plays around with GRAMMAR.
Anyway so long as we can laugh at ourselves the world is OK.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2008, 05:02:35 PM »

Not exactly grammer related but my 3 year old niece used to use the word lasterday instead of yesterday I always got a kick out of it

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2008, 05:23:18 PM »

Personally, and I do a little professional writing, think the whole thing is a tad over blown.  On the forum I write as I think of it, and when a writing story (manuscript) I get to go back over and over and edit for proper English.  I do not expect that type of standard in casual conversation, and I consider the postings on a forum such as this as casual conversation.
Yeah, I can agree that most teenagers don't have enough respect for themselves or their elders to want to talk correctly, but as long as I can get the gist it's okay by me.  I look at it like I'm trying to understand someones who's 1st language is not English and what English they know is a tad broken.  I respect their attempt to communicate.  But, I do think the people who've begun to speak in text talk (BTW IBL8) is going too far. 
I mean, if I wanted to get uptight about it I might develop a phobia about having to read things written by people who never Capitalize.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2008, 05:27:59 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2008, 07:45:15 PM »


A grammer would be someone who plays around with GRAMMAR.

Nuh uh!  Grammer was actually married to Gramper.   grin
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2008, 08:15:00 PM »

ok....true confessions.  i can't spell.  you have no idea how many misspelled words are found by the checker in every post i make. 

the grammAr thing started because about the time i saw the article, i heard kids being interviewed on tv about their snow days.  it was painful. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2008, 08:28:15 PM »

Spell check is our best friend, there's an outdoor forum I frequent, full of people who cannot spell to save their lives, its actually pretty sad. We don't have to be perfect on a public forum as long as you get the jest of things, who are we to judge each other on this really, but when the majority of the users cannot spell most words, yes I said MOST words correctly, it kinda makes my skin crawl, I wish that site would add spell check, it would be such a beautiful thing. The thing is, most of the moderators cannot spell so its a moot point.


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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2008, 09:08:14 PM »

JP, just pretend you're reading an old Mark Twain novel with local dialect.

Or use Jeff Foxworthy's Redneck Dictionary.  European: (Yur 0 pee an) noun, a descriptive act.  Example: European on my boot.
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2008, 09:13:19 PM »

What really needs work around here is the misuse of same sounding words.

There. Their. They're

Our. Or. Are. Hour

Here. Hear.

Which. Witch.

I know there are others, just can't think of them now.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2008, 09:33:09 PM »

JP, just pretend you're reading an old Mark Twain novel with local dialect.

Or use Jeff Foxworthy's Redneck Dictionary.  European: (Yur 0 pee an) noun, a descriptive act.  Example: European on my boot.

Sometimes its as if you're surrounded by axe murderers and inbreds, or one of the same, are they not?


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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2008, 09:50:34 PM »

just for kicks i spell checked 'grammer' and it didn't catch it.  it didn't want to cap it like a name, but that's all i could find spelled grammer....as in kelsey, etc.  spell check flaw.  i reduce my blame by 50%.

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We don't have to be perfect on a public forum as long as you get the jest of things, who are we to judge each other on this really, but when the majority of the users cannot spell most words, yes I said MOST words correctly, it kinda makes my skin crawl, I wish that site would add spell check, it would be such a beautiful thing. The thing is, most of the moderators cannot spell so its a moot point.
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The JEST or the GIST?  And don't get me started on run-on sentences  grin.

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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2008, 10:52:35 PM »

Kathy, oh, I can tell you who are the grammar natzis.  That is Ann and me.......we both were probably deeply involved in that thread that you spoke about, Ann and I are freaks about spelling and grammar.....now Ann, if you read this, wouldn't you agree, smiling,  Wink Smiley Smiley  Oh come on, Ann, if you won't admit it, I will admit it for you, and I will tell the world --- I am a grammar freak -- along with being a spelling freak too -- always got every last single one right in all the spelling bees at school, still pretty good at it, now and then my spell checker reminds me that I may have spelled something wrong, but not too often, eekes,  am I ramblin'...pardon me.... tongue Kiss Kiss Kiss  Have that wonderful and awesome day, love life, live it, health.  Cindi
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2008, 11:09:57 PM »

We don't have to be perfect on a public forum as long as you get the jest of things, who are we to judge each other on this really, but when the majority of the users cannot spell most words, yes I said MOST words correctly, it kinda makes my skin crawl, I wish that site would add spell check, it would be such a beautiful thing. The thing is, most of the moderators cannot spell so its a moot point.
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The JEST or the GIST?  And don't get me started on run-on sentences  grin.

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Run on sentences are acceptable on forums, you're simply trying to get your message out and it aint being graded, or its not being graded whichever you prefer, jest or gist you get the point and spell check missed that one, ha!


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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2008, 11:10:11 PM »

i was 1st down in spelling bees.  that gave me time to read whatever book i was into while the other kids competed.  when i came to writing, i was always at the top of the class....except for being marked down for spelling... Undecided

i don't know why you don't like run-on sentences because sometimes we have a lot to say and we don't want to break up the flow and so we keep writing even though we know we should make sentences but it's easier to keep writing and finish the thought or we'd lose it!
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Kathy, bravo!!!  well done, girl!!!  Beautiful day in this great life, Cindi
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A spell checker will not catch a properly spelled word that is used out of place.

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2008, 12:28:48 AM »

What really needs work around here is the misuse of same sounding words.

There. Their. They're

Our. Or. Are. Hour

Here. Hear.

Which. Witch.

I know there are others, just can't think of them now.


To, too, and two.  I guess we could include Jim Tew in there as well.   rolleyes

Where, wear, and I've even seen were...and that doesn't even sound the same, or at least in my local dialect.

What's wrong with this sentence?  "I two have too remember two wear to shoes."

By Golly, that's a lot of Tews.
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I'm reading it, Cindi, but I've been sitting on my hands so I don't jump in and correct every single error!  evil
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2008, 08:49:10 AM »

I doesn't rilly care how anybudy spels their mesages as long as most of it is rite.  I figgered I'd point sum stuff out sinse this is an thred on grammer.  It is a bit agrivating wen their is a conserted lak of efort to git sum of the werds right or to even giv halve an efort to spel things rite.

my goodness but it was sure difficult writing that!!! rolleyes
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I doesn't rilly care how anybudy spels their mesages as long as most of it is rite.  I figgered I'd point sum stuff out sinse this is an thred on grammer.  It is a bit agrivating wen their is a conserted lak of efort to git sum of the werds right or to even giv halve an efort to spel things rite.

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spelling while typing is hard when your hands are twice the size of a keyboard! I usually dont use the spell check either. My personal favorite is malapropisms. For example, a reporter was interviewing an NBA player. Said he worked hard in the offseason, and could now drive with his left hand in adddition to right. NBA player responded, 'That's right, I can go left, I can go right, I am amphibious."  and another I just love, I paid to have two men move a very heavy piece of furniture up 4 stories in a previous home. It was heavy, and the steps were very steep. They also had 3 turns at each level. On the last turn, sweating and exhausted, the guy on the bottom asked for a rest. The item was now balanced on his thigh, and he was pinned against the wall. He yells at his friend, "If you move this darn thing one more inch, you'll crush my gentiles." It was all I could do from not laughing at them!!!!
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i was 1st down in spelling bees.  that gave me time to read whatever book i was into while the other kids competed.  when i came to writing, i was always at the top of the class....except for being marked down for spelling... Undecided

i don't know why you don't like run-on sentences because sometimes we have a lot to say and we don't want to break up the flow and so we keep writing even though we know we should make sentences but it's easier to keep writing and finish the thought or we'd lose it!

Oh, come on, a run on sentence to a writer is like a lesser included offenses to a criminal where you can get rape reduced to following to close.

What really needs work around here is the misuse of same sounding words.

There. Their. They're

Our. Or. Are. Hour

Here. Hear.

Which. Witch.

I know there are others, just can't think of them now.


To, too, and two.  I guess we could include Jim Tew in there as well.   rolleyes

Where, wear, and I've even seen were...and that doesn't even sound the same, or at least in my local dialect.

What's wrong with this sentence?  "I two have too remember two wear to shoes."

By Golly, that's a lot of Tews.

And then there's weather, whether, and wether.  But the only one that can be fixed is the wether.
Where, wear, and .....The lost word is ware as in silverware. As in; Wherever silverware is over used it will soon wear out.
A lot of people can't remember which to,too,two, to use where.  I like Jim Tews has too remember that he must wear twos shoes.
I remember it is the way my grandmother taught me;  To be or not to0 be when Two is also a number.  Or, in otherwords, One O but two O's means also.

I doesn't rilly care how anybudy spels their mesages as long as most of it is rite.  I figgered I'd point sum stuff out sinse this is an thred on grammer.  It is a bit agrivating wen their is a conserted lak of efort to git sum of the werds right or to even giv halve an efort to spel things rite.


It don't look right but it reads right and it sounds right, so I say, as long as what you write reads write, why worry.  But truefully, I don't begrudge minor errors, I make them and often forget to spell check function, but personal pride should motivate a person to attempt to write closer to correct English.  I mean, a well thought out dangling participle is a work of art. 
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2008, 09:44:00 PM »

I mean, a well thought out dangling participle is a work of art.

What the dillywackerdadoodalcadoodalhopper is a dangling participle?  Sounds something like a danglion!!!  Smiling,  huh Wink Smiley Smiley Smiley  Beautiful day in this great life, we all live, love and share, health.  Cindi
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I never knew what a dangling participle was. Or what a dangling participle is. I wasn't no good in the English class.
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...I like Jim Tews has too remember that he must wear twos shoes.



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I mean, a well thought out dangling participle is a work of art.

What the dillywackerdadoodalcadoodalhopper is a dangling participle? 


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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2008, 09:43:08 AM »

My daughter who is in kindergarden, came home last week with a new saying. Now, every thing she says, includes a "Oh my Gosh!"  She sounds like a 16 year old valley girl from twenty years ago. She still has not mastered the "th" sound as in the word "the", but can clearly pick up cliche sayings.  Cry
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2008, 10:02:57 AM »



Oh Yeah. I've had some danglies.
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2008, 10:28:00 AM »

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My daughter who is in kindergarden, came home last week with a new saying.

if that's the worst she comes home with, count yourself lucky.  i remember the first time my oldest said "sh**".  of course it wasn't at home, but in front of a bunch of my mothers friends. 
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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2008, 11:15:41 AM »

My first born was about two when at a friends house he was trying to climb onto their daughter's high chair. The chair fell over and he said the sh** word. I believe it was his first word.

I just don't know where they get it from.  huh shocked
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