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« on: November 24, 2008, 02:18:28 PM »

I was wondering if there's a good way of dealing with an aggressive rooster aside from making chicken soup.  Whenever I bring the chickens some scraps he's always more interested in me than the food.  I don't care if the stupid thing is scared of me, but if he tried to peck me again he's going to get stomped on.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 02:30:17 PM »

I was wondering if there's a good way of dealing with an aggressive rooster aside from making chicken soup.  Whenever I bring the chickens some scraps he's always more interested in me than the food.  I don't care if the stupid thing is scared of me, but if he tried to peck me again he's going to get stomped on.

I have to use a cane when walking (upgrade from the motorized wheelchair I used to require) so when I'm in the chicken or goat pen, I use it as an animal prod.  1 caution, when using a prod on chickens tap them smartly on the wings, a head swat can mean chicken soup.  After a few times the rooster will repect your space.  Right now he considers the chicken pen is domain and the ruler there of, a few taps from a prod will convince him he's 2nd in the pecking order.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 03:08:53 PM »

A few years back i had  Buff Orpington rooster that was aggressive and one day hit me in the back of the legs when i wasn't looking.  I spun around and he came again.  I kicked him about 10 yards and as he shook it off  he realize HE was now under attack.  He ran and hid under the barn ramp until dark and never did it again.  Some times they just dont understand the pecking order and need to have it explained to them
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:45 PM »

Ok.  Next time he wants trouble I'll just punt him and see what happens.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 05:29:41 PM »

Ok.  Next time he wants trouble I'll just punt him and see what happens.

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 06:21:07 PM »

1 caution, a head swat can mean chicken soup. 

Many years ago when I was much younger than today, There was this rooster that came from nowhere and decided the area around where I lived made a good home. I quickly became tired of being woke up really early and decided to do him in. I swatted him in the head with a shovel and tossed his jerking body into a twenty foot hole used to dispose of and burn trash. It was still smoking from the previous days burn. Even had a grate over the top to keep people from falling in.

Two days later I was awaken early in the morning by this same rooster.  shocked

Needless to say, I took no further action.

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2008, 06:24:28 PM »

We had a silkie rooster that my daughter named Mr Pimple.  He would always attack us & I punted him a few times.  She got mad & used blackberries to dye him purple.  After that if he would hear her voice he would run & hide his head..under the barn, in buckets...the funniest was a #10 can...you could pick it up & his butt & tail feathers were out the top like an ice cream cone! J
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2008, 06:27:11 PM »

..... Smiley.....Mr PIMPLE?Huh.... grin


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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2008, 07:07:44 PM »

I always found a squirt gun worked well.A few times of getting wet seemed to deter
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 01:16:53 AM »

Well.  I brought the chickens a treat and that rooster started his antics again.  He came at me with his neck feathers raised intent on biting my leg.  He got intimately acquainted with my shoe and chased into the chicken house and that seems to have gotten him aware of the fact that he's not the boss.  I went back a couple hours later and he just stared at me.  I opened up the pen and he took off for the roost.  The only problem now is my mom was apparently intent on cooking him and now it's hard to differentiate him from the other rooster.  If he starts acting up again I'll grab him and put some sort of tag on his leg labeled "chicken soup" or "chicken dumplings".  He really seems like he takes good care of his girls, but aggression towards people is completely unacceptable and a quick way to death for any pet or livestock in my book. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 07:40:59 AM »

I always found a squirt gun worked well.A few times of getting wet seemed to deter


And it's a good way for cats, dogs, or anything else. It worked on the kids for a few days in the past, but now its a game... rolleyes  If you fill with vodka, you can shoot yourself.  grin But the wife said I had to stop that with the kids... shocked
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 08:21:11 AM »

The problem that I've seen is that they learn the pecking order....until a little kid comes over.  Then it isn't so pretty....
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2008, 10:17:42 AM »

We had a silkie rooster that my daughter named Mr Pimple.  He would always attack us & I punted him a few times.  She got mad & used blackberries to dye him purple.  After that if he would hear her voice he would run & hide his head..under the barn, in buckets...the funniest was a #10 can...you could pick it up & his butt & tail feathers were out the top like an ice cream cone! J

Oh Jody, I clearly remember you telling us about this rooster and the purple dye.  I thought it funnnneeee when I firstly heard it, and I find it funny now.....imagine that, eh?  Kids have the most wonderful sense of humour, gotta love it!!!  I wish that I could see a picture of this rooster with his head in that bucket, I bet he looked so funny, loving every minute of it.

My Mother had a rooster that was so bad he could drill a hole in a rubber boot.  I always wondered where that rooster went, hee, hee.

I sure do have to agree.  There is no place for any kind of man-bird that thinks he owns the chicken/duck/turkey yard, they need to know they are second in that order.....Have a great day, great life, great health.  Cindi
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2008, 10:25:23 AM »

I see how it is only women can own a chicken-duck-turkey yard grin

There is no place for any kind of man-bird that thinks he owns the chicken/duck/turkey yard, they need to know they are second in that order.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2008, 03:59:45 PM »

Oh Irwin!!!   cool Wink Smiley Smiley Smiley  Cindi
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »

The problem that I've seen is that they learn the pecking order....until a little kid comes over.  Then it isn't so pretty....

I found this to be true with sad results early last month.

My parents came down to visit us from Toronto. They'd never been to our new place and just bought 5 acres or so of their own and wanted a feel for what it takes to tend acreage when they eventually build on theirs.

My practical mom and soft-hearted father and my family were all out in the back looking at trees and the geese and ducks and chickens when I heard my 2 year old daughter start to cry. A big barred rock rooster was jumping at her with his spurs in bleep fighting fashion.

Having none of that I chased it up into the coop, smacked it in the head with a wooden stake, grabbed it by the neck and spun. Aggressive animals will not be in my yard.

I came out holding it by the neck and said something smart like, "I feel like chicken tonight". My soft-hearted father couldn't decide whether to faint or be ill. He's very into the Buddhist mindset of live and let live.

So, I had to have a half-hour long discussion with him about what living with livestock means and all was good in the end, but I don't think they will keep any roosters when they finally move onto their new property. Maybe a hen or two, but no roos.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2008, 11:01:42 AM »

I see how it is only women can own a chicken-duck-turkey yard grin

There is no place for any kind of man-bird that thinks he owns the chicken/duck/turkey yard, they need to know they are second in that order.
Cindi I hope that you know that I was just giving you a bad time like JP dose with the rock pile I mean no harm  grin grin
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2008, 11:06:08 AM »

I see how it is only women can own a chicken-duck-turkey yard grin
There is no place for any kind of man-bird that thinks he owns the chicken/duck/turkey yard, they need to know they are second in that order.
Cindi I hope that you know that I was just giving you a bad time like JP dose with the rock pile I mean no harm  grin grin

Oh Irwin, you know that I know.  I know that you know from reading all the posts, that teasing is a most healthy and wonderful part of our forum.  We are all friends, we tease the living daylights out of each other, and believe me......that is a wonderful and most great thing.

So Irwin!!!  Bring it on!!!  I can take anything that you throw at me, and so can all us other women on this forum, hee, hee, we are all tough old birdies and teasing only fires us up -- and makes our day  cool cool cool Smiley Smiley Smiley  Have that great, most wonderful day, health.  Cindi
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2008, 06:28:17 PM »

I use the older roosters for Brunswick stew. If the younger ones are the meat type, fry those.
If not the meat type, same as the old ones.
Most all roosters will be aggressive after some age.
Don't fret. The pecking is not what to fear. When they want to flog you with the spurs is when it gets nasty. That is when you need caution around strangers and especially young children.
Roosters are not the only ones to watch. Those setting hens can be nasty also.
so can the Guinea fowl when they have young.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2008, 06:58:24 PM »

I'm just getting caught up with all these posts and ran across this one, reminds me of this lady we all know that had this particular duck...


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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2008, 10:24:29 PM »

I had african geese, they were soooo funny! I could hold the girl & pet her, she loved it...the whole time the gander would stomp around, visibly shaking & hissing doing that snake deal with his neck, never getting his beak closer than an inch to any part of my body. He would tear up a glove or baggie when I dropped it.  I would turn my back on him then turn around really fast to see how quickly he could stop! evil  He would however wing slap & bite others.  When he first started thinking he was a tough guy I would hold him, talking in a high syrupy voice & kiss him on his beak bump!  Of course this was done in front of the goose he was trying to show off for. He was mortified & soon learned not to mess with me.  It is also fun to catch the ones at the park when they think they are tough..the look on their little faces when they realize I'm not scared is priceless!!  My Daughter does the same thing & the geese remember you!  grin   J
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2008, 10:27:49 PM »

Butchered one of my home grown turkeys for Thankgiving today.  Due to family obligations we couldn't get all the kids and grandkids together until Tomorrow (Sunday).  Size wise the turkey is the same volume as the one we had on thursdays for those who live here, but weight wize it was 5 lbs heavier.  The breast is bulging and hard from flying around the pen and up and down from the roof.  

My 2 daugthers are doing most of the cooking and are taking the time to fix the pumpkin pie using Cocnut milk so I can have some.  They are using CM in other things as well due to my food allergies.
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Butchered one of my home grown turkeys for Thankgiving today.  Due to family obligations we couldn't get all the kids and grandkids together until Tomorrow (Sunday).  Size wise the turkey is the same volume as the one we had on thursdays for those who live here, but weight wize it was 5 lbs heavier.  The breast is bulging and hard from flying around the pen and up and down from the roof.  

My 2 daugthers are doing most of the cooking and are taking the time to fix the pumpkin pie using Cocnut milk so I can have some.  They are using CM in other things as well due to my food allergies.

Oh Brian, that goes to show you how much your Daughters love you, taking that extra effort and time to get that coconut milk to put as an ingredient so you can have some of that yummy stuff too.  That is going an extra mile, and I take my hat off to these gals.  What more could you ask for, not much I would say, the love of family.....say no more, it makes my heart swell....

Now, you must tell a little bit about these turkeys.  I know that when we were down for the bee barbeque at the end of August, I saw these two birds.  At that time they looked the same size.  How on earth could one of them have gotten so ding dang much bigger than the other one.  Like five pounds is a lot of weight.....They were really big birds.  Do you have any idea what their finished weight was, I am curious, you know me, hee, hee.... I think back and compare these two hens to my bronze heritage tom, Richard, I think even when I was at your place they may have surpassed him in size, but that is kind of hard to tell exactly, from how my memory serves me.

What I am wondering here is:  were those two bronzes that you had there the ones that they call "double breasted"?  That makes for much more breast meat than a regular heritage bird.  Do you know this answer?  Mine is not that "double breasted" one, maybe that is why mine looked to be a little bit smaller, in my mind's eye.  My Richard doesn't fly up onto the roofs or anything really high.  He did fly to the chickenhouse roof a couple of times when we first got him last December, but he was only 9 months old then.  Now he is one and one half years old, he was born June of 2007.  I think he is too big to fly up high.  He can fly up on his roost inside his house, and onto the fences, but he doesn't even bother much with flying up on things, think he knows his limits.  Now the girls, they are always flying up onto high things.  Have a great and most wonderful day, Cindi
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Some 271 million turkeys will be raised in the United States this year, according to the National Turkey Federation, and a good number of them will be consumed on Thanksgiving, after which many Americans will loll about, overstuffed, sleepy and in many cases intoxicated.

This is not what the Pilgrims had in mind.

The first Thanksgiving was a moment for the Pilgrims to thank God for allowing them to kill enough game and grow sufficient crops to get through the winter, says Anne Blue Wills, assistant professor of religion at Davidson College. Those Pilgrims would have spent much of their day in church contemplating the mercies of God's covenantal love, Wills argues.

Not until Sarah Hale, editor of Godey's Lady's Book and Magazine promoted for 50 years the idea of a regular Thanksgiving holiday did President Abraham Lincoln make it one in 1863. In the years since, the turkeys we eat have changed dramatically, and so has scientific knowledge of them. Among the things you might not know:

1. Turkeys Can Fly
Wild turkeys feed on the ground, which might explain the myth of their flightlessness. They can in fact soar for short bursts at up to 55 mph. But their tendency to stay on or near the ground contributed to successful hunting that brought the wild population of turkeys down to about 30,000 in the 1930s. There are now 7 million of them.

2. Dark Meat is Rare Because ...
Meat is muscle. And muscle is fed by blood. In the blood is myoglobin, which binds with oxygen and stores it in muscles for when it's needed. Myoglobin also makes meat dark. Muscles that are used most, like those in drumsticks (legs), have more myoglobin. Domestic turkeys are too fat to fly, so they don't use their breast muscles much, which is why breast meat is white. The breast of a wild turkey is entirely different, darker (and far tastier for those who are game).

3. Turkey Eggs Wouldn't Sell
Chickens are champion egg-producers. Turkeys, not so good. Turkey eggs are bigger, so their nests tie up coop space. And farmers have learned that they make more raising turkeys for meat rather than eggs. Oh, and some turkeys are protective of their eggs, making the gathering more challenging.

4. It's Not the Turkey That Makes You Sleepy
Turkey contains a natural chemical called tryptophan, which we need to build proteins for our bodies. Indeed, tryptophan is also related to the production of serotonin, which helps us sleep. But all meat has about the same amount of tryptophan. Cheddar cheese has a lot more. What really makes you sleepier after a Thanksgiving meal compared to other meals is eating too many carbohydrates, from potatoes to pies. Alcohol can contribute, too.

5. Dinosaurs Had Wishbones, Too
The wishbone, called a furcula, is the fusion of two collarbones at the sternum. It's where a bird's flying muscles hook up. It's elastic and great for flapping. Turns out T. Rex and the Velociraptor had wishbones, too. While they didn't fly, this fairly recent discovery is one of the many bits of evidence that shows birds evolved from dinosaurs.

Sarah Hale probably never thought about any of this back in the mid-1800s. She just wanted the nation to celebrate a pious, patriotic holiday, said Wills, the Davidson College researcher. Hale used columns and stories in her magazine to portray Thanksgiving as a triumph of domesticity and rural simplicity over urban sophistication. She urged President Lincoln to create a single day on which all states would mark the holiday as a national event.

"The message is that the simple, pure, honest rural life, away from the temptations of the city, puts you in touch with true values," Wills said. "If we can just travel back to the old home place once a year we'll be protected from temptations and evil."

While some of that spirit might remain in the holiday, much indeed has changed about American culture in general and in how people view and partake in the holiday.

"For instance," Wills said, "I don't think football games and making the day after Thanksgiving the biggest shopping day of the year ever crossed her mind."

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2008, 09:45:49 AM »

Jerry, well done, thank you for bringing that in here, that was a VERY interesting read, beautiful day in this great life, Cindi
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2008, 10:34:57 AM »

Here's one you forgot Jerry. Did you know that Turkeys like to sun bathe in the nude? Well they do, but the powers that be put a stop do that, so now turkeys have to wear bikinis!



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Meat is muscle. And muscle is fed by blood. In the blood is myoglobin, which binds with oxygen and stores it in muscles for when it's needed. Myoglobin also makes meat dark. Muscles that are used most, like those in drumsticks (legs), have more myoglobin. Domestic turkeys are too fat to fly, so they don't use their breast muscles much, which is why breast meat is white. The breast of a wild turkey is entirely different, darker (and far tastier for those who are game).

Since the bird I butched liked to roost atop the chicken house and had been known to fly the coop now and then the white meat was actually light brown.  The breast meat was also much denser due to the flight habits of the bird.  Pigeons, whose wishbone is fused with the keel bone, are nothing but red meat.  The breast muscles are used in flight.  My pigeons have larger hearts than either the chickens or the rabbits I butcher.

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Turkey contains a natural chemical called tryptophan, which we need to build proteins for our bodies. Indeed, tryptophan is also related to the production of serotonin, which helps us sleep. But all meat has about the same amount of tryptophan. Cheddar cheese has a lot more. What really makes you sleepier after a Thanksgiving meal compared to other meals is eating too many carbohydrates, from potatoes to pies. Alcohol can contribute, too.

I'm usually alseep by the time the desert is served.  I don't drink alcoholic beverages and I'm allergic to most cheeses so it has to be the Turkey and the Potatoes.
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