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« on: November 21, 2008, 07:26:39 AM »

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Personally, I think it should be called "How the liberal media stole the election", but I guess that would be to long of a web address.  I would like to focus on the media bias aspect and not get into the back and forth oboma/mccain points.  For the sake of this discussion, let's just assume obama was just the benefactor of the media bias.

I'm sure some of you obama supporter's feel the ends justify the means,  but I'm hoping there are a few that can see thru this whole scam.

Put obama and mccain aside for a moment,  I personally find it most disturbing that people don't even know who is currently in control of the senate and congress.  How can anyone make an informed decision when they don't know who has been in charge for the last 2 years?  After all, it is the senate and congress (legislative branch) who make/pass the laws that control our economy, NOT the president.  But I'm sure none of them would know that if asked.   This is why I think there should be some type of civics test that needs to be passed before one can vote.  Voting should be an earned right.  I bet >75% of the population couldn't pass the test to become a US citizen.  That is just sad Sad

Even if you don't think the fact that obama's political career being kicked of in the house of an admitted terrorist, Joe Biden's record of plagiarism, or obama's statement on bankrupting the coal industry are important enough issues to base a decision on,  should one at least be aware of these?   Surely they are no less of an issue than Palin's $150,000 wardrobe or her daughter's pregnancy?

If one honestly looked at the media, it is quite obvious.  I pointed it out to about a dozen or so non-political friends and relative prior to the election and just told them to keep it in mind as they watched/listened/read the news.   I was amazed how many of them came back and said it was so obvious.

About 2 weeks before the election, I stopped listening to any news because I just couldn't take it anymore.   I started listening to Coast to Coast AM and all the alien folks rolleyes  just to get a way.  It got so bad that I would swith to music CDs at the top of the hour because even the 2 minute news updates where so biased.

I still remember the last new blurb I listened to.   "Sarah Palin fires another shot at obama"  then a clip of palin saying obama has gotten ahead of himself again and has his inauguration speech written.  Followed by"obama continues to rally support with his message of change"  then a clip of obama claiming mccain wants to tax you for health care.

This continuous prefacing all mccain/palin coverage with attack, attack attack commentary and prefacing obama coverage with rally, change, hope commentary was like a subliminal message.  Even though most of the obama clips where him going after mccain.

This whole thing has really bought into perspective a bumper sticker I saw that said "Don't be a sheep,  say no to obaaaaaaama".

So can anyone honestly say the media didn't steal this election?

Just for the record,  I didn't vote for either obama or mccain.   I also find it quite ironic that the candidate that ran on change and new politics seems to be building a cabinet of the same old democratic cronies.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 08:55:58 AM »

i saw this earlier in the week.  makes you want to puke.  sure makes you want to cry.

zogby was asked to do a poll on the mccain voters to see what the answers would be.  i hear they  have refused.

it is sad...but this is typical of the caliber of voter you get when you have a big registration push and someone who fires people up with words.

lets face it. if these folks were into civic duty, they would have been registered and been voting without someone dragging them to the polls.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2008, 09:33:12 AM »

lets face it. if these folks were into civic duty, they would have been registered and been voting without someone dragging them to the polls.

Yeah right down here they ride tour buses or vans and get served coffee and doughnuts as long as they vote "correctly".

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2008, 09:37:20 AM »

Agreed. I had considered voting for Obama way back when- but as the election became closer and closer- NO information about this man (except for occasional apparent cover up stories) came out. The media built him up for sure, and boy they threw poor Hillary under the bus. But, I really do have faith in both parties, and I can only hope the dems can keep him in line. Thats all I can do, because he has been elected. AND by quite a majority, did you see the article about the voter turnout being no higher than the last election? I think the republicans were as unexcited about McCain as the Dems were excited about Obama.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2008, 10:20:31 AM »

I think Obama was a made candidate since someone was wise enough to keynote him at the DNC in 2004. I've heard him referred to as the Tiger Woods of politics, which isn't fair - I don't think he even plays golf  Lips Sealed

Our generation is weird, GWB got elected BECAUSE we wanted to elect a father qnd a son to the highest office since that opertunity rarely comes around. Not to discount the voter tampering which I think brought the electoral college to the main stream of the populus.

I'm conservative, if you don't know that by now, concidar it true, but GWB has made me sick for years. Honestly, I would love to look at the world today AFTER 8 years of GORE just to see what would the stock market, US Debt Clock, war status, etc. would look like.

But people already comparing Obama to Lincoln, Roosevelt, etc. is a joke, can he possibly be sworn in and do something first?

On a more personal note - glad you have found and seem to enjoy Coast to Coast AM Rob, I've been a subscriber to their pod casting for years, love George Noorys style, and the topics are right up my alley. Not to mention, its the best 8 minutes of NEWS on radio!

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2008, 11:24:58 AM »

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and I can only hope the dems can keep him in line

with pelosi and reid in there, i think there will be no one to keep anyone in line.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2008, 06:47:35 PM »

Awww you guys........
Oprah got him elected. When I first saw him on Oprah, I liked him...I even told a couple of friends at work that "This guys gonna be a president"..I was impressed by the story about him that Oprah presented.
 I didnt vote for Obama.
 Oprah carries a VERY BIG STICK!!!!
 If Oprah had Alfred E. Newman on her show as a presidential candidate, Alfred would have been the king now!

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2008, 06:59:10 PM »

hey, i liked him too.  loved to listen to him.  even when he stuttered he was good to listen to.  everybody loved to hear him speak....but they didn't seem to hear what he said.....and they didn't seem to care about obama the man.

that's a little scary...a lot scary.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2008, 10:22:18 PM »

  everybody loved to hear him speak....but they didn't seem to hear what he said.....and they didn't seem to care about obama the man.

Wasn't it the same with Clinton?
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2008, 11:03:51 PM »

to some extent, but in his case, the press did a pretty good job of exposing a lot of his antics.  people didn't care.

BC wasn't one of my favorite guys, but the main damage he did was to the office of the president, and of course, to the intel community.  we will pay for the latter for a long time.  he did not go into office with the idea that the constitution was an inconvenience on his way to godhood.  whatever faults and misjudgements he made and had, i think they will pale in comparison to what we face now.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2008, 11:47:00 PM »

You need to remember Clinton was BUBBY fat in the face back then, and RELATIVELY young - I personally respect him for the REAL interest he gains from EVERY person he meets from an out of work coalminer or a watress to a King from a whole other culture, he really gleaned everything human - I suspect it greatly influenced his interest in World Disaster Relief and the developed friendship with George HW Bush.

He grew on me, the night he was first elected, I was a much younger man and was sick the night he won, seeing his party when the results came in was painful, in hindsight I took it too serious, George proved himself to wuss-out on taking Saddam, a move I know he would redo differently, and seen a second term.

Repeating mself, what would Earth in 2008 belike if Al Gore had won? Gonna start that post!
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2008, 12:45:21 AM »

i believe i already wrote you a post about what we would look like after gore.  will have to find it for you smiley

bush sr got advice at the end of gulf 1 from Powel and  Schwartzkopf.  powel convinced him that we did not have a UN mandate to go all the way to baghdad.  against Schwartzkopf's advice, bush pulled the plug.  stormin norman knew what we all knew; we would have to go back and finish the job.

 clinton compounded the problem by not enforcing the cease fire agreements and by castrating our intel gathering forces.  this led to saddam amassing a fortune through kick backs in the oil for food program, our "allies" being allowed to get away with paying him the kick backs and thwarting the sanctions, 9/11, the rise of UBL....who after the end of the afghan war with russia had time and money to turn his full attention toward us, and it gave saddam 8 years of uninterrupted planning for mayhem when the sanctions were lifted....as they would have been if russia, france, and germany had their way in the UN.  remember saddams own words....he planned to restart his WMD program as soon as sanctions were lifted.  there are still tons of unaccounted for chemicals and weapons.  to this day, we do not know if they were moved, sold, or dumped.

it's very nice that bill remembered folks he met and seemed to connect with them.  it's nice he has an interest in disaster relief, although it seems he also has an interest in traveling the world and  making deals to make great pots of money.  while neither are bad, neither recomend him as president.  his lasting legacy will balance to the negative side.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2008, 08:08:00 PM »

i believe i already wrote you a post about what we would look like after gore.  will have to find it for you smiley

bush sr got advice at the end of gulf 1 from Powel and  Schwartzkopf.  powel convinced him that we did not have a UN mandate to go all the way to baghdad.  against Schwartzkopf's advice, bush pulled the plug.  stormin norman knew what we all knew; we would have to go back and finish the job.

Bush Senior felt he had to follow the UN mandate as he interrepted it. GHWB was a bigger UN guy than is son, remember the "New World Order" comments?
 
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clinton compounded the problem by not enforcing the cease fire agreements and by castrating our intel gathering forces.  this led to saddam amassing a fortune through kick backs in the oil for food program, our "allies" being allowed to get away with paying him the kick backs and thwarting the sanctions, 9/11, the rise of UBL....who after the end of the afghan war with russia had time and money to turn his full attention toward us, and it gave saddam 8 years of uninterrupted planning for mayhem when the sanctions were lifted....as they would have been if russia, france, and germany had their way in the UN.  remember saddams own words....he planned to restart his WMD program as soon as sanctions were lifted.  there are still tons of unaccounted for chemicals and weapons.  to this day, we do not know if they were moved, sold, or dumped.

Every President, with possibly the exception of Eisenhower, elected since 1930 has made political manipulations that have undermined the Constitution and sought to bring about world wide Socialism and Government.

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it's very nice that bill remembered folks he met and seemed to connect with them.  it's nice he has an interest in disaster relief, although it seems he also has an interest in traveling the world and  making deals to make great pots of money.  while neither are bad, neither recomend him as president.  his lasting legacy will balance to the negative side.

A lot of people in politics have this ability, Henry Jackson (D-WA) was the same way, never forgot the name or face of anyone he ever met.  He even remember a letter I had written to him while in Turkey about a Commanding Officer who was illegally disposing of US Government property to the locals (among other things).  Politicians try to train themselves to remember like that, it helps tremendeously when smoozing the constituency.

One thing people should be aware of about Bill's travels and speaking fees.  Most of the other governments in the world are corrupt and readily accept bribes.  So when Bill accepts speaking fees from forgein interests they think, somewhat rightfully in the case of Bill C., that they are buying influence with the American Government.  As a result when things go against their interests they believe the US has betrayed them.

Hilary as Secretary of  State is only going to accellirate the dismantling of the US Government.
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