you believe that murder, rape, adultery, etc. are wrong. why? because our society has taught us it's wrong. why? because our society has been based on the judeo-chirstian belief system that says they are wrong
Not necessarily. I don't normally jump into these discussions, but I know that with at least kathy, I can trust it won't degrade beyond an intelligent discussion...
I am not christian. I am not atheist either. I am topixqui and recognize Teyocoyani (in english, you would call him the Creator).
I and many people I know of did not grow up amongst christians but others like ourselves and we manged to learn the same lessons. I know kathy is not saying only christians have these values but I would like to point out in general that regardless of what most people think, not all Americans "inherit" or are guided by christianity or christian morals.
I agree with bulldog that I have no real problem interacting with people of other religious beliefs or no religious beliefs so long as they aren't trying to force those onto others around them. As a matter of fact, as topixqui, we are generally encouraged not to proselytize those around us. Our ways are for us and for those who come to us seeking these ways. Our ways are not for "recruitment". We hope others around us can reciprocate.
There are some people though, who automatically assume that if you are not a christian, you are either devoid of values and morals or that they are deviant and wicked. Usually, these folks are the loudest in the room and get the most attention, sad but true.
I like to be part of "open eyed" religious discussions where the tone of the discussion is "We can share our ideas with others without feeling threatened or intimidated to change." These types of discussions can be a lot of fun and help one to learn what makes other people "tick". it also can help to understand why people do what they do and what they intend instead of assuming based on our own beliefs or being misguided by others who don't know either.
there are some people who carry a chip on their shoulder, sometimes because they have had too many bad experiences or sometimes simply because they are the type of person who isn't happy unless they and everyone around them is miserable. (is it me or does it seem there are a lot more of those types of folks around these days?)
I know that for a bee forum, this is where I get some of my favorite non-bee related online discussions at.
oh, one last thing....I was always my understanding that the U.S. Constitution, and consequently the gov't, was not so much based on christianity, but the recognition of "God" (by whichever name you know him) and that as a nation, we respect that all we have is because it is what he has provided us. Our "rights come from him and cannot be taken away by man. Again, not only a christian view of things.
and on beemaster comment about having a right to say something. We always have the right to say our piece, but I am sure you will agree that far too often, people seem to forget that having a right does not exclude one from dealing with the consequences of our words or actions.
consequences like getting kicked off a forum or punched in the face or kissed on the cheek (if you said something nice). actions, like speaking, have consequences. All the Constitution says is that we can't be arrested or punished by the government for doing so. All the other consequences are still out there, just waiting.