schools do teach other belief systems. islam is all the rage now. after all, we must understand other and respect them, right? everyone but christians. if you are christian, your beliefs are not allowed.
I challenge you to cite a single public school where Islamic doctrines or Sharia law is taught. Peoples’ beliefs can be talked about in the classroom; I have never seen a class where a teacher has prohibited students from mentioning what they believe if it is relevant to the topic.
i don't know if you have walked into a public school lately, but they are hell holes. kids don't respect teachers. they don't respect each other. they don't respect themselves. drugs, alcohol, and sexual promiscuity are rampant. this is true even in the better neighborhoods.
I have been in public school lately. Three words: No Tolerance Policies. Three more words: Constant Faculty Surveillance. Even if what you say is true, teaching the Christian gospels or leading students in school prayers are not magic wands for disciplinary problems. Even if your argument wasn’t demonstrably false it would still be a red herring.
parent are busy working two jobs so that the kids can have PS3s, cell phones, and cool clothes. they consider "quality time" to be that time between 6 and 9 pm spent watching TV with the kids before bed. weekends are a rush to do all that needs to be done before the cycle starts again on monday.
Another red herring, this is irrelevant to whether or not Christian Privilege in schools is either beneficial, or consistent with our Constitution.
while i do not think that 'a religion' should be taught in school, there is nothing wrong with applying the 10 commandments to the standards. that is something that the 3 major religions agree on. the odd druid or atheist can ignore the wording if they follow the spirit.
Let’s take a look at them:1. 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
2. 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
3. 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
4. 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
Okay so the first four Commandments are explicitly religious. They are not universal values, they are about devotion to a particular deity. How does one follow them in spirit? And why should they have a place in the publicly funded classroom?5. 'Honor your father and your mother.'
An excellent sentiment, and one that I was taught in school without the Ten Commandments ever having to be invoked.6. 'You shall not murder.'
I would think that this is obvious with or without the Ten Commandments.7. 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Again, I don’t see the value of invoking religion to justify why this is wrong. Also age of consent laws make this redundant for the sake of protecting our students: if our students are having sex with people who are married, then it is not just adultery on their part, it is pedophilia on the part of their partner.8. 'You shall not steal.'
Another nice little command, and again people don’t need to invoke any god’s name to justify why you should follow it.9. 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
If you interpret this as “don’t lie” (which is inaccurate) then this is another “duh,” and covered in, amongst other things, academic integrity codes and ethics about plagiarism. If you correctly interpret this as a law regarding legal proceedings, then it both redundant (perjury laws are taught in civics without needing to invoke anyone’s faith) and irrelevant to school life.10. 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
This is my favorite commandment. This is the one that justifies punishing people for what they think. Envy becomes a thought crime. This is also an antithesis to American culture. We work hard because we see the rewards of working hard and also want to have them. This is the very premise of why Americans reject socialism, “If everyone gets the same thing, why would anyone try to work hard.”
The other great bit about this commandment is that it reinforces the Biblical lesson that women are property.
same with school prayer. rotating local ministers and church leaders means that most beliefs are covered. if a few are offended, well....welcome to the real world. i'd rather school started with a prayer than a knife fight.
So you want clergy of religions you don’t agree with to have the opportunity to evangelize to your children while they’re at school? Also, what do you mean by “welcome to the real world?” Where in the real world are you, on a daily basis, an unwilling captive audience for someone else’s belief system? Someone who is being paid to come in with your tax dollars. I can think of many better ways to spend our limited resources.
And who the hell proposed knife fights as the alternative to school prayer? What planet do you live on that you think a daily prayer is the equivalent to adequate security and supervision? If you want your kids to start the day with prayer, then pray with them before the go to school. Because it’s a waste of time and money for everyone else.
liberals have equated morality and spirituality with christianity, and banned it.
No, Christians make that equation. That is why you think eliminating Christian Privilege in public schools is the same thing as “banning morality.” If this wasn’t the case, I wouldn’t have to constantly defend myself against Christians who tell me I can’t be moral without their god. Don’t deny it, I’d bet good money you’ve used the very same argument against atheists.
Actually, I do have proof in your later comment: "like it or not, all societies thougout recorded history have religion as a base for their morality. no religion=no moral structure."
In addition to contradicting yourself, this statement is also false. There have been many societies that have maintained moral structure without the need for supernatural dogma (Confucianism in China for example). And if we as a society had not fought against religious dogma throughout our own history, we would still own slaves and stone people for working on the Sabbath, like the Jewish and Christian holy texts instruct us to.
never mind that this doesn't say much for liberals, the end result was to teach kids that there are no rules outside the ones they choose to follow. rather than teaching kids to respect all, which was their stated goal, they have taught kids to respect none. they have taught kids that standards are relative. do what feels good. there are no absolutes.
Teaching children to show “respect for all” cannot lead to “respect for none.” That is a gross logical contradiction. Please cite your evidence that schools are teaching students that they should only “do what feels good.” I would again point to No Tolerance Policies as my evidence that absolute codes of conduct are the law of the land in public schools.
As a side note: I do not know any educated and rationalist liberals/atheists that agree with moral relativism. We reject it as well. The difference between you and us is that you think moral truths have already been handed to you, while we attempt to define them by using empathy and examining the consequences of our choices.
you have to wonder what they are afraid of when they ban invocations and benedictions at ball games and graduations.
We’re not afraid of anything. We simply recognize that it is in violation of our Constitution when officials who are paid with tax payer money lead these during official functions. I am sorry that you don’t like your privileged status being taken away, but it is undeserved and unconstitutional.
i remember my grandmother telling me that god saw what i was doing even if she didn't. that didn't always keep me out of trouble, but it sure did come to mind every time i was about to do something i shouldn't!
Sounds like it didn’t work to improve you then. Feeling guilt is not the same thing as avoiding the actions that brought the guilt in the first place. That’s fine for your grandmother to tell you that, or for you to teach your children. But who do you think you are that you can demand that public school teachers have to teach my children your beliefs? You can have your beliefs, and I can have mine. But when you demand Christian Privilege be resurrected so that your beliefs get precedence in public institutions, you are over stepping your bounds.