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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2008, 08:40:25 AM »

Yeah. I just wonder how long it will take before we hear the name change from Obama to Uncle Tom  shocked

That will be a while,  they still have a long way on the "Bush Administration" blame game.   Which I find quite ironic since pelosi and reed run the LEGISLATIVE branch.   Then again, if there was an aptitude test of how our government is structured BEFORE you could vote,  the outcome of the election would have been far different.


Just a funny side story,  a colleague of mine has a neighbor who has been sporting an "IMPEACH" sign in their front lawn forever.   So yesterday he went over and congratulated them and politely asked if he could take down the sign now.  They were more than happy for him to do it.  Now the wait until January when he puts it up in his yard.  Wink 
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2008, 10:11:52 AM »

i got a funny email from a liberal, black, female, friend of mine.  she works in Oakland, ca and works for a private social services organization.  she sent out a blast email congratulating everyone on their win.  i wrote back and told her that while i was not celebrating, i was very happy that she was happy.....  she called me last night to see if i was alright.  i had to laugh.  i think her concern was a reflection of how she thought she would have felt if Obama had lost.

i don't know enough about obama to try to figure out what might happen.  that's part of the problem.  none of us do.  presidents have come out of nowhere in the past Clinton and carter come to mind, but this is the first in our era of instant info to come out of nowhere and have no info given about him.  most of what was dug up about him was negative.  his own campaign put out little info and you would have thought they would have been poring out positive stories.  all we really got was "community organizer".  NP is gleefully rolling out another gazillion dollar welfare...oops...stimulus package.

it will be interesting.  Russia today is rattling swords.  Iran is backing attacks in Iraq that we have not seen in many months.  "palastinians" are bombing in Israel again. i read this article and it really puts this in perspective.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081105_obama_s_challenge

who in the heck would want that job??

mick, i like powell in a lot of ways but not in leadership.  he was good in the state department.  probably should never have gotten above a 1 star as a general.  it was on his advice that bush 1 did not finish the job in iraq. 
he's nice, intelligent, thoughtful, and does know the military.  he MIGHT be ok as JCS.  he would be better than many of the choices that obama could make.

there were a lot of hateful people on the left when bush was president.  without regard for the country, they wished him failure.  there may be certain policies of  presidents that i would wish failure, but not our president.  not our country.  not our military. 

it will be interesting to see who ends up advising him.  that may tell us a lot.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2008, 09:29:07 PM »

In my mind the biggest problem with GWB was that he vetoed so few measures that it had no impact.  He managed by concession, not prudence, hoping if you gave the opposition enough they'd give him something in return.  He got the Iraq war he wanted and sold the rest of the nation down the drain to do it.  America was ill served by his obcessions and his lack of foresight.

McCain, love him or hate him, at least by DC standards had integrity.  There were things about I liked and things I was wary of, but of the final 2 I thought he was the wiser choice.

Obama, an obscure man with an obscure past.  A self-proclaimed "Man of the World."  The more I found out about his political philosophy and voting records in Illinois and DC, plus the more that less his past was revealed, the more concerned I became that maybe we would have been better off with Hilary (shudder).

We are now entering a time when the direction of America will mimic the EU and UN instead of steering its own course.
Socialism will now be the order of the day and the majority of Americans who were whipped up in charismic furver might live long enough to rue their decission.  I mean no disrespect, only historical focus, when I say that Germany was alight with charismic furver when they elected a Corporal from WWI was the Fuhrer of Germany. 

The point is, when people allow themselves to be swept up in a frenzy by a charismic person, all through history, that country and much of the world came to regret that choice.  I hope I'm wrong.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2008, 12:51:58 AM »

right up to this bail out crap, i thought history would vindicate most of what bush has done.  there were things he did that i didn't agree with and things i wish he'd executed differently, but i at least understood why he made the decisions.  bad economies happen.  they happen after really good ones, like the one we have had for most of his presidency.  there are a lot of reasons for this, but not to many cures.  government bail outs are not a cure. 

on balance, i think history will say that he got more right than wrong, but this last has really hurt him forever, i think.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2008, 03:06:50 AM »

John, its great to see you did not hit your head when you crashed! gotta love the passion!
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2008, 05:56:56 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2008, 10:34:20 AM »

History will not treat GWB well. He will share history w/ Carter. Our country and the world will be paying for his mistakes for a generation to come. He made bad decisions and executed them horribly as well.
 For all those people worrying about socialism, dont. The problems needing to be resolved will consume the next president and a broader expansion of his perceived ideas will never come to fruition.

 As for those of us who are worried about increased taxes...
How else to you pay for debt if you are a government?

I know of 3 ways. 1. raise taxes.2. borrow from foreign country or its own citizens.3. print money None of these are good choices, but number 1 is unfortunately the best. Personally, it will hurt my family harder than many of you b/c my spouse and i are one of the lucky one who do make a great living.
I might suggest a postive attitude as it brings about positive results!
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2008, 10:42:41 AM »

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now that's funny...wrong, but funny  grin
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For all those people worrying about socialism, dont. The problems needing to be resolved will consume the next president and a broader expansion of his perceived ideas will never come to fruition.

would agree if he didn't have NP and HR salivating to do all that he wants and more.  NP didn't wait to have a press conference and talk about her new bigger and better bailout and welfare plan.  all obama has to do to achieve his goals is not veto what they send him.

there is a 4th way and it actually has been proven over and over again to work.  it is to leave the money in the pockets of the consummer.  we are a consumer driven society and when people have, people spend.  none of your other ideas have ever worked.

5th way is to cut...not grow...government.  government produces nothing and makes no money.  the bigger government, the more it consumes from productive people and the more it needs to keep going.

i have a positive attitude.  i am positive i will survive.  all else will become clear with time. evil
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2008, 05:12:32 PM »

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now that's funny...wrong, but funny  grin
I agree, it's funny, but I don't think it's too far wrong.  As I said before, he handed the United States over to a socialist, by sticking to his single focus (Iraq), ignoring his base (the man is no conservative) and ignoring many of the wishes of the people (illegal immigration for one - of many). 

Obama won because of the Bush backlash.  As I'd said many times to my husband, the Bush haters are going to destroy this country in the vain hope they will destroy Bush. 

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For all those people worrying about socialism, dont. The problems needing to be resolved will consume the next president and a broader expansion of his perceived ideas will never come to fruition.
Sorry, but what I see tells me the opposite.  Obama is supposedly a constitutional scholar, yet he seems to truly dislike the 'constraints' (that is his word) placed on American laws due to the fact that we're supposedly following the Constitution (until the 2nd Amendment ruling I was afraid the SC was set to abolishing more and more of the Constitution, maybe things are turning around in that department - but only until Obama can stack the deck with liberals).  I am most definitely afraid of the socialistic and controlling tendencies of unbridled liberalism.

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would agree if he didn't have NP and HR salivating to do all that he wants and more.  NP didn't wait to have a press conference and talk about her new bigger and better bailout and welfare plan.  all obama has to do to achieve his goals is not veto what they send him.

there is a 4th way and it actually has been proven over and over again to work.  it is to leave the money in the pockets of the consummer.  we are a consumer driven society and when people have, people spend.  none of your other ideas have ever worked.

5th way is to cut...not grow...government.  government produces nothing and makes no money.  the bigger government, the more it consumes from productive people and the more it needs to keep going.

i have a positive attitude.  i am positive i will survive.  all else will become clear with time. evil
+1 on most of it, but I can't be positive right now. 

I had a discussion with a client of mine today - she's an unabashed Obama worshipper and was shocked to find I wasn't.  We've left the topic alone until today, when she said "So, are you fine now with the election?" and I said no, I wasn't, but then again, I didn't like either one of them (as I had told her before).  I said that I hoped the Obama lovers were as enthralled with him in four years as they are now, and she said she hoped I'd be happy with him too - I told her it was best to get back to Pilates, and made her do the ab series of 5 - without putting down her head!   Don't talk politics with me when I've got you trapped on a mat evil
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2008, 05:58:29 PM »

Quote" As for those of us who are worried about increased taxes...
How else to you pay for debt if you are a government?

I know of 3 ways. 1. raise taxes.2. borrow from foreign country or its own citizens.3. print money"End quote"

Why not do what what many taxpayers have to do?:
CUT SPENDING
That is the most logical.
Bureuacracy consumes much more than it produces. Look at the Department of energy,the last I looked tehy have not produced any thing but hot air which was released to the atmosphere!!!  No coal,oil ,or anything!!
 
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  As I said before, he handed the United States over to a socialist, by sticking to his single focus (Iraq), ignoring his base (the man is no conservative) and ignoring many of the wishes of the people (illegal immigration for one - of many). 


i agree with the not very conservative part.  congress killed  immigration reform. thank you mccain.   iraq i understand, but i probably have more time and study on the subject. a great deal of effort on the iraq problem was spent by the clinton admin.  they just didn't take action.  i do have a problem with the execution of the war.  if you are going to go to war, you have to be willing to blow things up and kill people.  you can win hearts and minds later.
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we just need a president of the United States of America, not a world President that has to police the world and give Billions to other countries just to stay in good faith so we can use their help to police someone else. we have homeless and hungry in this country and seems they (the people) will have to be shipped over sea's to get American help unless they stay at home having more kids to get more money. I have said it for years "THIS COUNTRY IS NOT RUN BY THE PEOPLE, ITS RAN BY BIG BUSINESS", companies buy the politicians and these people keep getting voted in, for a people run government a term in Politics should only last 4 years then they can never be elected again, when they are first elected they actually try to do good the after 4 years they learn the ways to pad their pockets by companies and lobbyist giving donations to them, they all rich even if they wasn't before they were elected, this is not just presidents its mostly about all them in Washington DC (congress, senate, etc.) Just the way I see it....
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2008, 08:57:07 PM »

we just need a president of the United States of America, not a world President that has to police the world and give Billions to other countries just to stay in good faith so we can use their help to police someone else. we have homeless and hungry in this country and seems they (the people) will have to be shipped over sea's to get American help unless they stay at home having more kids to get more money. I have said it for years "THIS COUNTRY IS NOT RUN BY THE PEOPLE, ITS RAN BY BIG BUSINESS", companies buy the politicians and these people keep getting voted in, for a people run government a term in Politics should only last 4 years then they can never be elected again, when they are first elected they actually try to do good the after 4 years they learn the ways to pad their pockets by companies and lobbyist giving donations to them, they all rich even if they wasn't before they were elected, this is not just presidents its mostly about all them in Washington DC (congress, senate, etc.) Just the way I see it....

An Isolationist attitude is anti-business. 

I agree we should keep our noses out of everybody else's problems until they start to make it our problem, then slap them back to reality with a heavy handed response so they go back to leaving us alone.

One thing most people are over-looking: Who holds the paper on our national debt?  China, and when they call in the markers we'll be hurting unless we turn things around by reducing spending, which includes entitlements, and start paying down the debt BIG TIME.  With someone like Obama in charge (ie An Social Reformist) it is much more likely the national debt will grown, increasing the likelyhood of China calling in it's markers during the next recession (if not later on during this one, depending on how long it lasts).  BTW, we are on our way into a worldwide depression much like we had in the 1930's. 
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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2008, 12:29:19 AM »

Nice to see you back Ted! Ive missed our BS sessions.

I read Obama is after your guns already! Only for police and military will side arms be!

I just felt bud fall back off his chair from here! KathyP wasnt far behind!
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« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2008, 12:43:12 AM »

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By Joseph L. Galloway | McClatchy Newspapers

Here’s to the American people, the electorate, for finally coming to their senses and voting for something different, for someone different and for a chance to fix the multitude of man-made disasters that confront us.

By their votes, the Republican revolution and all it's wrought — an economic meltdown, two endless wars, class warfare that’s enriched the very rich and beggared everyone else and a treasury bulging only with IOU's — will be crushed.

That revolution began to take root with the criminality of Richard Nixon's administration, with its paranoid enemies list. It gathered steam in the time of Ronald Reagan and with Newt Gingrich’s seizure of Congress.

To be sure, there have been pauses, first during Jimmy Carter's four years and then during Bill Clinton’s eight, in the GOP's rush to recover — with interest — the presidential power that Nixon lost to a second-rate burglary and assorted other dirty tricks.

High tide arrived with the unlikeliest occupant of the Oval Office in our history, the beady-eyed, smirking, tongue-tied, counterfeit cowboy George W. Bush, and a Congress that after 9-11 was run by runaway Republicans who were too busy enriching themselves and their friends to care what their president was doing to the country, the Constitution and even their own party.

Little wonder, then, that Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin will go down to defeat after a campaign of sheer desperation that’s been nasty, brutish and long.

Bush and his clutch of unindicted co-conspirators will leave Washington at high noon on January 20, 2009, two months and a few wakeups from now, and good riddance to bad rubbish.

Oh, there will be more outrages as they leave. Bush and his gang are busy drafting and issuing Executive Orders and new regulations gutting the last surviving federal rules that bedevil their rich, polluting friends, and no doubt they're just as busy drawing up presidential pardons by the bucketful for themselves and their partners in crime.

These Republicans arrived with a strange combination of contempt for government and hunger for its power, and during their time in the saddle they've done everything they could to destroy the government and the Constitution that our forefathers so carefully constructed to check and balance any self-anointed monarchs' ability to do evil or accumulate dangerous and excessive power.

Where were we the people while this evil was being unleashed on us? Remember the fable of the grasshopper and the ant? We were, with the encouragement of our president, busy playing grasshopper. In the wake of the 9-11 attacks, our president urged us to go to the shopping mall. Go be grasshoppers. Consume everything, save nothing, live like there’s no tomorrow, like winter will never come.

Guess what? Winter has arrived.

In the name of national security, of homeland security, our right to privacy has been whittled away, legally and illegally. Big Brother has been listening, but only for our own good.

With the arrogance common to those who are ignorant of both history and the world, these people threw away our standing in that world, declaring that everyone must either be with us or against us. We hardly noticed as the world paid attention to what we did, not what we said, and then quietly chose the latter option.

In pursuit of our newfound civic duty as consumers, we hardly noticed that nearly everything we bought was marked "Made in China."

Made in China and bought on credit, our credit and our country's. Made in China and made with lead paint and poisonous plastics that threatened the lives of our children and killed our dogs, substances that escaped notice until far too late because the rabid deregulators had pulled our watchdogs' teeth.

They demanded unfettered capitalism, and in the hands of the Wall Street robber barons that was turned into pure evil, pure greed and pure folly. Now millions of Americans are losing their homes in the mortgage meltdown, and millions more have seen their life savings, their 401ks and IRAs, their hopes of a comfortable retirement, blow away like so many leaves on a cruel Texas norther.

They played on our fears like a mighty Wurlitzer Organ, frightening us with lies into an unnecessary war in Iraq. Frightening us into re-electing George Bush, even after we knew that he was anything but presidential, anything but intelligent, anything but a worthy, effective leader.

They frightened us so badly that we voluntarily surrendered the precious rights that a million American soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, Coast Guardsmen and others bought for us with their lives during two centuries of freedom and democracy.

They used fear to violate international law, to torture and imprison thousands of suspected enemies without charges or trials. They used fear and invoked national security to suspend the right of habeas corpus, the foundation of our freedoms.

For these and far too many other sins and transgressions to list in so short a space as this, we the people have every right, and perhaps a duty, to cast them aside, and with them their only hope of avoiding justice and judgment — John McCain, who voted with them 90 percent of the time.

We're right to toss them all aside, and to hope and pray that it's not too late to start repairing the damage they've done to a nation that once was the last, best hope of mankind.
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« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2008, 12:49:21 AM »

we just need a president of the United States of America, not a world President that has to police the world and give Billions to other countries just to stay in good faith so we can use their help to police someone else. we have homeless and hungry in this country and seems they (the people) will have to be shipped over sea's to get American help unless they stay at home having more kids to get more money. I have said it for years "THIS COUNTRY IS NOT RUN BY THE PEOPLE, ITS RAN BY BIG BUSINESS", companies buy the politicians and these people keep getting voted in, for a people run government a term in Politics should only last 4 years then they can never be elected again, when they are first elected they actually try to do good the after 4 years they learn the ways to pad their pockets by companies and lobbyist giving donations to them, they all rich even if they wasn't before they were elected, this is not just presidents its mostly about all them in Washington DC (congress, senate, etc.) Just the way I see it....

My grandfather used to say, "An honest man never gets re-elected."  His meaning was that if you got re-elected it was because you had sold out to somebody, the party or business.
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http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/476350.aspx

English Dethroned as World Language?
By Laura Robertson
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November 6, 2008

CBNNews.com - English is the most spoken language worldwide, but it might not be for long.

Millions are calling Mandarin Chinese the language of the future.

One group of pre-kindergarten students in Washington, D.C. take the same classes as thousands of other students nationwide.
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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2008, 09:09:33 AM »

mick, 
a  lot of people were mad at bush.  people on both sides.  thing is, bush wasn't running and despite what the commercials said, mccain is  nothing like bush.  bush made tough decisions, right or wrong, and had brass nuts, wright or wrong.  mccain's claim to fame was that he spent 5 years in a prison camp and then the rest of his life making compromises in the Senate.  i think he does not even have a set anymore.

Obama we know almost nothing about, and what we do know isn't so good.  supporters have ignored the bad part, journalists have refused to investigate, and the rest of us are waiting to see if we are screwed a little, or screwed a lot.

Galloway may not be your best source for the temperature of the US.  he's never been a really straight journalist and i think has gotten more volatile as he's gotten older.  just my opinion from reading his stuff.  i don't know him.
i do find it amusing when when the left fusses about things like privacy and then thinks taking my guns, and putting up more "traffic" cameras is a good idea smiley

on  the gun legislation part....yes, i was clutching my heart!   grin  first thing the Brady Campaign did was gleefully put out a statement that NOW, FINALLY we can get some meaningful gun control!  translate 'meaningful' anyway you want, but it can't be good.
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« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2008, 07:22:34 PM »

Yes mick,
Possibly a defining moment for the U.S. Lets hope we learn the lesson our children learn in Kindergarten.  To work together. 

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« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2008, 10:10:15 PM »

Great Post Everyone!

I hope historically these next 4/8 years are kind to us and the world, the last 8 have been mind numbingly sad for so many, from 9-11 to ecconomic hard-times and everything we've all dealt with. The last thing I wish anyone is the same or worse, we all need better times and whom-ever is at the Helm, I only hope we have calm seas and friendly ports.

I don't think we need to wait generations to see that GWB was and is a baffoon. Often history paints a different picture than we remember, I hope that W is painted in the colors that reflect what he was and did for 8 years. I would love to see what the world would look like today after 8 years of a Gore Administration, especially the US debt/surplus clock and just out of curiosity, how many friendly countries we would have. Because sometimes now - it seems like we could count friendly countries on one hand. And I swear we had a few more friends than we do now.





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