One, I post my website, which has my address,... I have an open house every year, hold a picnic open to the public, extend invitations for others to partake in queen evaluation days, and openly invite anyone interested, to stop by,... I do not hide behind a fake name on a forum, taking shots at people. I "put up" everytime I am asked, and invite people to see everything I do, say, and experience. Every year, I have hundreds of people see what I'm talking about. Can you say the same?
I was of course taken to task by this forum's omniscient Moderator about my apparently injudicious comments. I hereby apologize to any and all who were offended.
I do not hide or spoof my identity, BTW; I consider the facts, evidence and ideas I present relevant here, not my personal bio. As for taking shots, seems to me that opening salvo was that of calling unorthodox (for now) hives and management styles /excrement/.
...I have used sawdust, newspaper, obsorbent particle board and even grass, in playing around with ways to control or minmize moisture issues. Now, I have never claimed to use a "quilt", and never made a quilt as per Warre protocol. I'll see what I can do about a picture when the snow melts. But you act as if nobody has ever tried these things before, and use the excuse that since there are no commercial models being sold, you have the right to assume nobody ever did anything close to what Warre called for. Wrong....
Yes, but I rely on evidence, the more recent and scientifically obtained, reviewed, and reproducible, the better, to inform my views and actions. Commercial mags like ABJ provide up-to-date ads and articles/tutorials about standard equipment and practice; those, and latest the ABC & XYZ edition do not mention quilts or vTBHs like Warrés despite their long use... just not in the USA I guess, but that is changing rapidly lately (I have four 3-box Warrés waiting for the spring).
I've found no evidence, and I've looked far & wide, that "quilts" have ever made it into long-term usage in the framed-hive milieu, hence my incredulity at the initial claim that "The whole quilt thing is but yet another way, that has been used over the years..." I just can't find the evidence -- please provide if I've overlooked something.
And I'll restate that a solution to the moisture problem was presented a century and a half ago, yet was evidently never widely adopted; was it incompatible with framed equipment, Langstroth-style management philosophy, or both? Dunno...
Three, Please provide a list of the 12 parasites and diseases that the Warre hive is completely immune from? Better yet, as you mentioned, list the ones that are encouraged by the use of frames?
Anecdotal evidence from regions where unframed hives, more specifically Warré types, are deployed suggests a 90% lower varroa loading in Warrés compared to Nationals or Langstroth hives, all else equal. The no-URL restriction on this forum for newbees prohibits me from posting links or even trying to get around the ban. Many of the sites are in German and French, and foreign-language forums don't necessarily show up in standard searches.
Again, I look for evidence that is suggestive and consistent. Demands for "proof" and completely incontrovertible evidence fall into the straw man fallacy and are naturally unanswerable.
...I do not feel anyone is a sadist if they open a hive beyond what Warre called for. I would not even call a fellow beekeeper a sadist for those that use chemicals that I so adamantly comment on...
Okay, so I regretfully chose the wrong word; my bad. Sadists are aware they cause pain and trauma & obtain pleasure from it. Conventional beeks OTOH may merely be unaware that frequent hive opening is quite stressful and has long-lasting negative impacts on the colony.
Then again they might even be somewhat aware, and I'll own that many orthodox beeks do try to minimize chilling & outgassing damage by choosing the best time of day & weather. Warrés are superior in this respect, with no special care having to be taken by the beek due to the construction of the hive itself, and to the different management protocol it demands.
But if there be another means of obtaining intelligence, like being queenright, such a low-impact method that does not rely on total hive opening can find a place in an updated managament style. A Warré beek in principle may never see the queen, nor care to. Langstroth-epoch frames and management facilitate, no, demand or make inevitable regular hive opening, comb-swapping, and all the rest.
In keeping bees, there are obviously other ways (i.e., they exist); perhaps they are better, have something to learn from, and are deserving of attention, not summary dismissal, is all I'm saying.
I'll ask readers and the Moderator to please note that I have presented my arguments and mild defenses in non-accusatory, non-confrontational phraseology. If, despite my contrition and toned-down presentation of ideas and challenges, what I write still be somehow inconsistent with the Forum bylaws, or worse, unpalatable to those of greater standing who hold more conventional views, then fine, I'll accept banishment and bow out.