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« on: October 17, 2008, 12:30:46 PM »

I saw this on the Louisiana sportsmen forums it got me thinking what do all of you think?

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Think about it

This election has me very worried; so many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking, "Where did the money come from for Obama"? I have four daughters, who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental; he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world" trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's

family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was

already living in New York.

By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association". About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law

School. Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented "Rezar" which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was

instrumental in providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.


Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?


On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with "Hamas", which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things".


Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?


And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim faith". When questioned, "he make a mistake". Some mistake!


All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.


Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?


A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the enemy from within"!!!

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 03:27:25 PM »

Do a Google search using the name:
Barack Hussein Obama,
 {yep, middle name " Hussein " very seldon see that in the news media }

Lots of Scary stuff, understand he won't salute the American Flag, for starters.

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 05:14:14 PM »

I thought all of this was settled before.

Try here

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

Or this

http://www.dilutedreality.com/2008/08/25/5-most-ridiculous-obama-myths/
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 05:31:55 PM »

jerrymac, you chose two rabidly left wing sites to make what could have been a valid point.

the real question is:  why has the press not done the usual in depth background checks on obama.  they have not.  there are many, many, unanswered questions about his back round.  much of what is reported comes from him and his handlers.  some of the stories about him may be untrue, but the only "evidence" we have comes from his side.  where is the curious media that digs into the past, private and public, of all (conservative) candidates??

you can not put a question to rest until you have exhausted the investigation.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 05:41:18 PM »

True or not, there are lots of questions in the article that I would like investigated. But as you said kathy, who will investigate?

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 06:49:45 PM »

jerrymac, you chose two rabidly left wing sites to make what could have been a valid point.

I just grabbed something and posted it. I know nothing about any of that. Just trying to make a point that anybody can say anything about anybody.

I do have one question how ever. There are many religions in this world. Many in this country. The first amendment protects our right to those various religions. The question is, do we limit the qualifications of a president by his/her religious choice? Or the lack there of?
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 07:18:41 PM »

There a lot there to digest.
 I do "Snopes" and find that alot of the stories about obama are fabricated lies. I do know that the flag saluting ( or not saluting I should say) is a lie...Dont get me wrong. Like I said before in a prior thread, I back McCain......My wife is an Obama delegate. I was "Born Again" almost 30 years ago...Janelle decided she was an atheist about 5 years ago...But, she's the one who got me started  looking into these stories. Now, I am constantly looking at Snopes for subjects that i get in the email...People send this crappy email about all sorts of things and they believe it, just because it says its true.( Well, I didnt look at the Cell fone popcorn popper.I WANTED that to be true...And, a story like that wasnt hurting anybody. But it sure played ME for a sucker!)
 Anyways,....Those are all good questions which you posed about Obama. I'd be interested to get the low-down on what was going on with him about all that, but the subject matter now bores me.
 I'll cast my vote, walk away, and let the political avenue run its course.
 Oh yeh,.....You guys wanna come over for supper( and drinks, cuz you'll need them) and discuss politics and religion with my wife?....Nawwww, I didnt think so......But you can come over and talk bees and fishin' with me if you want!

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 07:51:47 PM »

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There are many religions in this world. Many in this country. The first amendment gives us the right to those various religions. The question is, do we limit the qualifications of a president by his/her religious choice? Or the lack there of?

no, but we base our decisions on available info.  unfortunately, most people turn to the media for that info.  the media has failed to provide backround info on obama and his associations.  the info we have been given, has come from other sources.

 obama attended a "christian" church.  that church preached hate and a point of view that most Americans find repugnant.  that is not necessarily a reflection of his beliefs, but it certainly brings up questions of his judgment and associations.  if obama said he were a muslim, you would expect info on what his mosque taught. you would have to factor in what we know about the teachings of islam.

add that to his known choices of friends and mentors and you either get a picture of someone with an anti-american belief system, or someone who has made very poor choices in his friendships.

this might lead you to wonder what an obama cabinet would look like?  who would he choose as his advisers?  all we have to go on, is what little we know of his past record.  we have no reason to believe he would make better or more palatable choices.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 10:28:03 PM »

My bet is George Soros for Secretary of State, Jessie Jackson for Defense Secretary, Al Sharpton for Attorney General (There is no requirement for the AG to be an attorney) and more of the ilk.  The only saving grace I see is Mom's Mobley for HUD Secretary.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 10:32:09 PM »

Brian, you are almost as naughty as JP!  Just thinking about it makes my head spin!  J
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I revised that a little to read "protects our right" not "gives us the right". Misspoke  shocked not like anybody ever does that.

I find it amazing, as well as unbelievable, that there are so many perfect people that never do anything wrong, and all their friends are perfect also. That is so strange to me.

I have known people that do drugs. Doesn't make me a druggy. I have known criminals. Am I therefore a criminal? If I just happen to attend a Catholic Church a couple of times, does that make me a Catholic?

So a man doesn't salute the flag or possibly not even say the pledge of allegiance. Does that make him less patriotic? What if I said I don't do it? The flag is just a symbol. A piece of cloth all painted up and decorated with various colors and shapes to represent different things. I won't live or die for a piece of cloth, but I will for my country.

I don't and won't wear a wedding ring, but there is none more married than I am. I don't care for symbols. (as noted here http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,3973.0.html )

obama attended a "christian" church.  that church preached hate and a point of view that most Americans find repugnant. 


If anyone claims to be a Christian and claims to live by the Bible, then they are taught hate. My own Christian family has proved that many times.

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 11:19:07 PM »

 Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley T. Boone Pickens for President!   Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 11:30:22 PM »

jerrymac, it is not about perfection.  if you believe that the judgment and stated policies of obama are what you want for this country, then by all means....vote for him.  most people will make their choice based on some undefinable emotional reaction for or against the man.  i prefer to absorb all the info i can and make a fact based choice.  for me, the facts point to a man who shows poor judgment in his friends and mentors (not casual acquaintances) and who states a socialist agenda.  i do not think his planned policies are in the best interest of this county.
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2008, 05:29:13 AM »

I'm just playing devil's advocate. All I really know is someone will say some thing about one of the candidates and it is denied. Then a counter accusation is made and denied. One says they will do such and such or stands for this and that and the other accuses them of something just the opposite. People just pick out the part they want to believe and go with it. In the end, who ever gets into office will forget all their champagne promises. Nothing will be done for the people and every one will be disappointed again.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 11:02:18 AM »

all that is true.  we can only look at the man and try our best to judge his intentions and character.  in the case of both candidates, we have plenty of info from them to do a pretty good job.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2008, 04:00:55 PM »

heres a point to ponder. Obama knows some shady people....But as mentioned before, alot of us know some shady people./ In my case, I've known, and still know, people of "Ill Repute"..But....I'm not in a relationship with these people as to where it concerns $$$..I'm friends and aquaintances of these types because it just happens..(HEY!...WAIT a MINIT!!!...I AM one of these types!) oh well...."Birds of a Feather", right? But the difference is that in Obamas case, we're talking about relationships that include lots of money passing hands, not just hanging out and having a beer. I think what we've seen here is "People using people for personal gain", not just making friends.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2008, 06:08:03 PM »

Johnny, that was 2.5 cents!  I just know that I would never run for any office..don't want people looking into my past!  It does come in handy when talking with teens cause I've hung out with some pretty unsavory people & done everything they could think of doing..(well, not crack cause they didn't have it then...) and I can truthfully tell why it isn't a great idea!  Like John, I think there is a difference between acquaintances, business partners & big $$ changing hands...there, that's the other .5 so make it 3!  Hey Johnny, did you get your cam?Huh J
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 06:31:28 PM »

So speaking of $$$.

I remember way back when Bill Clinton couldn't afford his legal fees. Then this year Hillary was taking millions out of her account to repay some things. Did anyone ask where that came from?
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 06:48:06 PM »

Hee hee....! Nawwww, I didnt get it yet..I looked at them this morning, but I didnt know what I was looking at! they were anywhere between 20 and 80 $..I went to the webcam beemaster place again awhile ago and asked a few questions and was going to walmart again but by that time nobody else wanted to go!
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 Naw, Jerry..I didnt ask where that $ came from........I remember this happening tho just sort of recently....I dont think I wanna know where she got all that money...I'm pretty sure you and I and the rest of us helped her get it though!

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If anyone claims to be a Christian and claims to live by the Bible, then they are taught hate. My own Christian family has proved that many times.



I find that presumptuous and insulting, no matter how nicely you say it. I was taught, and teach my children that God loves all people, he just doesn't approve of certain things. What does this have to do with Obama? I think that saying it is OK for Obama to be in a church that preaches hate because christians are all full of hate- well, you are wrong. I don't care if you are a galactic bee Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2008, 12:08:33 AM »

 Hey melilem! Theres a pretty good book I read recently called "The Shack". I wish my wife would read it but thats not gonna happen. Anyways, there are all kinds of answers to questions which are posed towards why God lets things happen to Godly people, and stuff like that. keep in mind though that its fiction....But if God can speak through a donkey, why not a book?(Other than the bible). Well, there ya go.....
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 09:51:48 AM »

About the money,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081019/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money

Obama raises stunning $150 million in September
By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama raised more than $150 million in September, a stunning and unprecedented eruption of political giving that has given him a wide spending advantage over rival John McCain.

The campaign released the figure on Sunday, one day before it must file a detailed report of its monthly finances with the Federal Election Commission.

Obama's money is fueling a vast campaign operation in an expanding field of competitive states. It also has underwritten a wave of both national and targeted video advertising unseen before in a presidential contest.

Campaign manager David Plouffe, in an e-mail to supporters Sunday morning, said the campaign had added 632,000 new donors in September, for a total of 3.1 million contributors to the campaign. He said the average donation was $86.

The Democratic National Committee, moments later, announced that it raised $49.9 million and had $27.5 million in the bank at the start of October. The party has been raising money through joint fundraising events with Obama and can use the money to assist his candidacy.

Obama's numbers are possible because he opted out of the public financing system for the fall campaign. McCain, the Republican nominee, chose to participate in the system, which limits him to $84 million for the September-October stretch before the election.

Obama's monthly figure pushed his total fundraising to $605 million. No presidential candidate has ever run such an expensive campaign. His campaign raised $65 million in August, his previous best.

"The overall numbers obviously are impressive," Plouffe said in a campaign video. "But it's what's beneath the numbers in terms of average Americans who have had enough, who want a change and who are really fueling this campaign."

Obama had initially promised to accept public financing if McCain did, but changed his mind after setting primary fundraising records. His extraordinary fundraising is bound to set a new standard in politics that could doom the taxpayer-paid system. Many Republicans have begun to second-guess McCain's decision to participate in the program.

With his money, and a favorable political wind at his back, Obama has secured his foothold in states that have voted for Democratic presidential candidates in the past. But he has also been able to expand the contest to reliably Republican states, forcing McCain and the Republican Party to spend their money defensively.

Plouffe pointed out that the campaign is now spending resources in West Virginia. Obama running mate Joe Biden was scheduled to campaign in Charleston, W.Va., on Friday and the campaign has secured television advertising in the state for the next two weeks, according to ad data obtained by The Associated Press. Plouffe hinted at further expansion, noting that public opinion polls show the race tightening in Georgia and North Dakota.

As much as Obama raised, he needed a big fundraising month to justify his decision to bypass the public finance system. Financially, he has been competing not only against McCain, but against the GOP, which raised $66 million in September.

The combined Obama and DNC totals for September now give the Democrats a distinct financial advantage going into Election Day, just 16 days away.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 11:10:44 AM »

600 Million could feed alot of starving people and also put shoes on their feet and a blanket to cover up with.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2008, 12:04:41 PM »

CP came out for obama today.  his reason?  palin isn't experienced enough!  never mind who you are planning to vote for....the palin experience argument is ridiculous.

obama, biden, and mc cain are senators.  they have absolutely no leadership experience.  they have consensus building experience.  just what you don't want in a leader!  obama has less time in government than palin and all of her involvement has been in leadership positions. 

what is the real complaint against palin?  she is a conservative woman.  the is the inti-woman to the feminist movement.  she is the anti-obama to the liberals.  can you imagine the upset if the first woman to be president were a conservative?  the left has claimed to be champion of women and minorities.  in fact, they are champions of women and minorities who toe the liberal line.  look what happens to conservative blacks!  a little clarence thomas, anyone??

conservative women are thrilled with palin, but unlike liberals, we are not thrilled that a woman was picked as the VP running mate.  we are thrilled that a competent, conservative woman was picked. 

suck it up libs smiley.  if you want to see successful women and minorities chosen on merit and not agenda, look to the conservatives. 
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2008, 12:43:26 PM »

kathyp,

You and I share similar views on political and social topics. I appreciate to way you express your views.

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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 01:06:41 PM »

 Kathy......
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2008, 04:25:49 PM »

600 Million could feed alot of starving people and also put shoes on their feet and a blanket to cover up with.

And just think how much is spent on things like..... ummmm.... I don't know. FOOTBALL?
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2008, 09:21:31 PM »

what is the real complaint against palin?  she is a conservative woman. 

Nope...it's that her "leadership experience" is in a state with fewer people than the big cities in the country. That doesn't count for much. Who had even heard of her before McCain picked her? The 500,000 people in Alaska.

Obama went to Harvard Law School. I guess education doesn't count for much, because it took Palin 5 schools to finally come out with a Bachelor's degree.

IMHO, anyone who has claimed that she's seen human footprints in dinosaur tracks doesn't belong in a leadership position in this country.
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2008, 09:32:25 PM »

My bet is George Soros for Secretary of State, Jessie Jackson for Defense Secretary, Al Sharpton for Attorney General (There is no requirement for the AG to be an attorney) and more of the ilk.  The only saving grace I see is Mom's Mobley for HUD Secretary.

No offense, but if you think this is the case, you haven't listened to a single thing Obama has said in his campaign, or dismissed anything that hasn't agreed with your viewpoint.

I don't think Obama is a "black man with an agenda to promote black leaders." If you think he's going to pick black people just because they're black, you might want to take a look at your feelings about race.
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2008, 09:36:32 PM »


obama, biden, and mc cain are senators.  they have absolutely no leadership experience.  they have consensus building experience.  just what you don't want in a leader!  obama has less time in government than palin and all of her involvement has been in leadership positions. 


Actually, considering how the US government was designed, consensus building is one of the best skills to have! We don't have a monarch, we don't have a supreme leader. Our government was DESIGNED to REQUIRE consensus, because our founding fathers knew that power is too easily misused. Look at what the Republicans handed over to Bush earlier in this decade (on party principle) and the mess we're in now to see what a lack of consensus building does. If you think our country is going the best way it can, well...I wish I were in your shoes!

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« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2008, 10:44:38 PM »

i believe she said she had seen pictures of footprints and dinosaur tracks.  as i recall, they are in TX.  maybe someone knows.  a lot of conservatives knew about her.  even if she had been governor of a state of 10 people, she still would have more executive experience than the other 3.  obama has none.  nice that he got a good education.  has nothing to do with his ability to lead.  BC would be a good example of someone with a good education and poor leadership skills.  even better, Carter.

when did george soros turn black??  the list refers more to extreme libs, than race, but libs seem to want to see race in everything.

a good leader listens to advice, gathers knowledge, converses with other leader....but in the end, a good leader must make decisions.  some of those decisions will not be popular. 
a consensus builder does the above, but then compromises to get a solution that all agree on. 

obama is not running against bush.

you show the typical emotional response to this discussion.  it is not fact based.  when you want to have a fact based conversation, i'll be happy to engage you again.

oh ya....i have listened to what he has said.  i dismiss it because it is not only something i disagree with, but something any american with any knowledge of history or our government should disagree with.
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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2008, 10:47:43 AM »

I was tired last night and should have waited until this morning to write, so I was overly emotional, and I sincerely apologize.

And in truth, I usually don't bother to get involved in these kinds of discussions, because I really think that there's no point...no one is going to change their minds based on a discussion here, regardless of how dazzling and fact-based their opponent's argument may be, right?

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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2008, 10:58:14 AM »

I was tired last night and should have waited until this morning to write, so I was overly emotional, and I sincerely apologize.

And in truth, I usually don't bother to get involved in these kinds of discussions, because I really think that there's no point...no one is going to change their minds based on a discussion here, regardless of how dazzling and fact-based their opponent's argument may be, right?


That's why I don't talk politics on the forms my mind is made up. Plus I like every one here and don't want to make any one mad because I don't see it there way.
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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2008, 11:51:17 AM »

i think that the discussion is important, but the argument is pointless.  and....i'll tell you a secret if you promise not to pass it on.....i like to yank chains.   evil 
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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2008, 01:31:49 PM »

You go Kathyp Keep a yankin  grin I have a hard time putting what's on my mind on post's so it takes me a long make a post. It gets lost in my elbow I think grin . Like Cindi and john and you make it look so easy.
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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2008, 06:57:22 PM »

 Hey!
 I KNOW about human footprints in dinosaur tracks!
 My friend, Tex( well was a friend till he moved in over here...then we moved him out...well, He's still a friend I suppose, I just wouldnt let him move back in as he turned into a freeloader) Was a palientologist(Dinosaur hunter)...Ohhh, he was good at it too..For two years he sifted through buckets and buckets of dirt and put together a Dimetridon( Sailfin dinosaur) and sold it for 165,000$..he bailed out a "Rich aunt" who the IRS was gonna bust, and his wife was mad that he didnt pay off the house.Then he found a cocaine connection and sniffed the rest of it. A year later he found another dimetridon but with out the head..He sold that for 85,000$ and snorted all that up. Tex was probably the greatest dinosaur hunter in America! He only had a 7th grade education on top of that! Then he fell apart.
 At any rate, I asked him about the human footprints and he knew all about it( I was interested in this discovery because of the biblical timeframe)..he said both tracks were authentic, but after thorough study, the tracks were from different times..Although, both tracks were very old, The human track was just coincidentally imprinted in the same track as the dinosaur!
 To me, this was a disappointment, but the scientific evidence showed the tracks to be from different times.
 But,....We still have the issue of dragons and how true the facts are from legends! Smiley

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2008, 12:36:35 AM »

What I can say is this: Looking at the Voting records of both Obama and Biden you can kiss the 2nd amendment goodbye if they get elected.  At least they'll try to emasculate it as much as they can.  Obama introduced legislation into the US Senate that would have required the US to sign onto the UN's humanitarian agenda that would make it a crime to own a weapon or use one for self-defence.

The UN's stand on guns is that it should be illlegal for anyone not a soldlier or police officer to own a gun or use one for any reason.
They state you have the right to defend yoursself, as long as you don't use a weapon to do it.

When the public is disarmed, only fear is left as they have no way to fight off the tyranny of those who would take by force.  Tyranny includes governments.  How many times has this happened in history and is happening even today...Africa is a good example.
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2008, 01:28:42 AM »

T. Boone! T. Boone! burning bright,
In the natural gas firelight,
Why should Californians vote
For Prop Ten, which you underwrote?

Oilman extraordinaire,
T. Boone Pickens, billionaire,
Your gas stations fuel the class
Of cars that run on natural gas.

But most cars can't use your stuff.
At your stations, times are tough.
So you've ponied up three mil
To bloat our ballots with this bill.

Prop Ten will sell bonds galore,
Borrowing five billion for
Things bonds shouldn't fund one cent:
Car rebates, research, and rent.

If this wins, three billion bucks
Goes to those whose cars and trucks
Get high mileage, or use "Clean
Alternative Fuel" to go green.

Prius buyers each will get
Rebates of two grand, and yet,
With the price of gas today,
We all want one anyway.

One of Prop Ten's greatest scams
Rebates fifty thousand clams
For trucks T. Boone's pumps can fill,
But reduce pollution nil.

Relentless electioneer,
Funder of that Swift Boat smear,
Pickens wants our public dough
To make his corporate profits grow.

T. Boone! T. Boone! burning bright,
In the natural gas firelight,
We see through your scheming when
We vote down Proposition Ten.
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2008, 09:19:36 AM »

T. Boone! T. Boone! burning bright,
In the natural gas firelight,
Why should Californians vote
For Prop Ten, which you underwrote?

Oilman extraordinaire,
T. Boone Pickens, billionaire,
Your gas stations fuel the class
Of cars that run on natural gas.

But most cars can't use your stuff.
At your stations, times are tough.
So you've ponied up three mil
To bloat our ballots with this bill.

Prop Ten will sell bonds galore,
Borrowing five billion for
Things bonds shouldn't fund one cent:
Car rebates, research, and rent.

If this wins, three billion bucks
Goes to those whose cars and trucks
Get high mileage, or use "Clean
Alternative Fuel" to go green.

Prius buyers each will get
Rebates of two grand, and yet,
With the price of gas today,
We all want one anyway.

One of Prop Ten's greatest scams
Rebates fifty thousand clams
For trucks T. Boone's pumps can fill,
But reduce pollution nil.

Relentless electioneer,
Funder of that Swift Boat smear,
Pickens wants our public dough
To make his corporate profits grow.

T. Boone! T. Boone! burning bright,
In the natural gas firelight,
We see through your scheming when
We vote down Proposition Ten.

For us uninformed cajuns what is prop 10?
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2008, 08:19:57 PM »

 Boy Keith, I'm glad you asked!
 I was just gonna be quiet and pretend I knew!
 Janelle would know I bet, but if I asked her it would show my ignorance but one more time! embarassed
 So.....What is Prop. 10?
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2008, 09:24:55 PM »

What I can say is this: Looking at the Voting records of both Obama and Biden you can kiss the 2nd amendment goodbye if they get elected.  At least they'll try to emasculate it as much as they can. 

I have to wonder about all those folks that took an oath to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2008, 05:12:16 PM »

About the money:
From a visitor to The Corner at the National Review Online:
So I went to the Obama website this afternoon and clicked on the "Donate" button.
I used my real MasterCard number (but was not asked for the 3 digit security code).
Used the following information and it was accepted...
First name: Fake
Last Name: Donor
Address: 1 Dollar To Prove A Point
City: Fraudulent
State: AL
Zip / Post: 33333
Email Address: allmyinfoismadeup@mediabias.com
Phone Number: 2125551212
Employer: Mainstream Media
Occupation: Being in the Tank
And incredibly, my $5 donation was ACCEPTED!!!
I then went to the McCain site and used the exact same information (and WAS asked for the 3 digit security code for my MasterCard). There, my contribution was rejected with the following message: "Your transaction was not approved for the following reason(s): Invalid data", and then: "We have found errors in the information that you have submitted. Please review the information below and try again."
About prop 10:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pickens25-2008sep25,0,763405.story


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