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« on: September 25, 2008, 07:57:24 PM »

 I found this hawk in my pigeon coop after work today!. He is a small guy though and he didnt have supper. he was there all day pretty much cuz the pigeons hadnt eaten all their food.
 His claw got me though shocked. Man, its amazing how sharp the talons are! This is the first time one ever got into me. As you can see I had to catch him with my shirt! I didnt get good pictures but Janelle was taking them and the camera wasnt set right.
 Oh yeh,.....Is it a hawk....?...Or is it a Buteo...?....Or is it a buzzard?
 If you look real close you can see him flying away after I set him loose, right near the edge of the tree limb on the left sort of.

I'll get a bigger one next time! Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 08:27:47 PM »

nice pics Johnny I wish I could get them that close to me I have several squirrels around the house I would love to get rid of I do have many owls around here though. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 09:21:34 PM »

Johnny

You have a sharp-shinned or Cooper's hawk there.  Could be a male Cooper's.  Males are smaller in the hawk family.  Actually, if you want to get as technical as the last thread on this.  It is an accipiter.  True bird eaters.  Very fast and nimble.  Unfortunately, they seldom go for squirrels cause accipiters are lightly built--but small squirrels watch out.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 09:27:06 PM »

I took another look at it.  Yours is definitely a first year bird (brown streaks on the front).  The rounded tail feathers make me say Cooper's.  Male or female is your guess.  They will get red eyes by next spring!!  Awesome!!  I had a pair raise 5, yes 5 fledges, next to my chicken pen and they NEVER took one chicken, not even bantams.  But the raccoons got three show bantams!!
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 10:17:54 PM »

Yeh Armuchee, I have tons of coopers here. I was pretty sure this is what i had.. The Biologist from the base said that he knew of 16 in my area alone which he said is a really big number. I had one in my coop twice the size of this one day before yesterday, and its true that the eyes change colors!
 Thats funny about how technical the last hawk post got wasnt it?

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 11:53:58 PM »

Cool bird John, wicked little talons there huh, but who is that guy in the pic?

This is the John I know: http://picasaweb.google.com/Johnnybigfish/Stuff#5224136597712430242

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2008, 01:30:37 AM »

John,

What you have there is a Female Cooper's Hawk, (Accipiter Cooperii), not a buteo (buzzard) but an accipiter, or "shortwing" in falconry terms. She looks to be of passage age.

Capable of short lasting great bursts of speed, primarily a bird eater. >>I<< call them "North American FACE CATCHERS". I have had several, they are fun to fly, but when they are on a kill, they mantle the kill as if insane, then, without warning, turn, fly into your face and rake their talons across your mouth, nose and eyes. I;ve often called them "Guided missiles with wings".

You are fortunate to have only had your finger punctured by her talons as a coops can go absolutely NUTS without warning. Had THAT been a Goshawk, she would have REALLY given you a good "honk" with those feet as they have tremendous crush strength. Even the coops can give you quite a squeeze and armed with those talons, anything short of a thick falconry glove will easily be pierced. Imagine a buteo such as a red-tail (Broad wings) on your fist! I actually had one of those puncture through a triple ply elk skin glove into the first knuckle of my index finger. Caution when catching raptors, a broken feather or two can make the difference between catching wild game and starving as the moult does not begin until late spring and lasts through until October where they replace old plumage.

If you have a love for raptors, IM me your email addy and I'll send you some pix of the various hawks I've kept over the years. I've had some great coops, I have had even more 'tails (Red-tails) and Hariss Hawks as I am more of a "Dirt hawker" and they are great "Bunny busters and I have slaughtered some insane headcounts of jacks with the broad wings. (Razorblades with feathers)

If you REALLY like raptors and are interested in flying them on wild game, consider apprenticing under a general or master falconer (I am the later), look up your state's F&G for your state's apprenticeship program and a referral to the state falconry club or NAFA for referral. Apprenticeship is two years before being released and signed off to General Falconer 1.  Also, get a copy of "North American Falconry and Hunting Hawks" by Frank bebee & Hal Webster and "The Falconer's Apprentice" by William C. Oakes. Get a sponsor and then your apprentice license and using a bal chatri, trap your first passage red-tail for use in hunting, "sky fishing" is a blast! And you won't even have to use your shirt to catch the hawk! Wink The state and federal licensing process is exhaustive but by no means "hard". There's a required written exam, a facilities and equipment inpection, a minor background check, F&G warden will then sign your application inspection block, your sponsor will sign his/her block and you pay yoru fees to the state and fed and wait 3 to 6 weeks (Typically two weeks) and your license arrives. Hoodmaking is fun too as well as making your own jesses, anklets, leashes and various perches. I warn you, it is an OBCESSION and a blood sport and a hole to throw $$$ down, especially when you buy kangaroo leather for your home made equipment and hoods.

OOPS! Look! I wrote another BOOK!. *wince* I'll shut up now...

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 02:36:08 PM »

[I wrote another BOOK!.]
[I'll shut up now...]

Hey no regrets, its great to see someone with such a passion about something.
Its even nicer when they really know about the topic instead of repeating a book.

I just want to know what I need to train to eat all the raccoons and skunks out my neighborhood.
-That's more responsibility than I have time (nor money) for right now.

Thanks for the complete treatment.

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 05:46:25 PM »

hey NWIN!
You can borrow my dogs for a week or two!
 But you have to wash the stink off them before you Bring them back!

 I dont think I should have hawks as I have pigeons!
I've been thinking peefowl though!...1 project at a time though.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 05:50:21 PM »

hey JP!! Thats ME in the pics!!
 I shaved to look younger Smiley.Ya think it helped any? Paul and Kanna say i look like an old fart now....Janelle lies to me and says I look good....I look in the mirror and say, "Awww, who gives a s***...I already have a wife!" grin

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 07:37:48 AM »

hey JP!! Thats ME in the pics!!
 I shaved to look younger Smiley.Ya think it helped any? Paul and Kanna say i look like an old fart now....Janelle lies to me and says I look good....I look in the mirror and say, "Awww, who gives a s***...I already have a wife!" grin

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Bring back the fuzz!!! Hey John, I shaved mine and a week later started growing it back, its hard work cultivating that thing!! But, it keeps the bees off my chin and my wife and several others like the beard look. Its what you feel comortable with anyway, so its your decision and you're the one who has to look at your maw every day!

Beards have a way of making people look completely different.


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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 12:49:28 PM »

Ok....I might put it back on....But......I think i'll get some of that flourescent hair dye and make it orange!!!.
Oh yeh,...Thats right...Janelle just reminded me that i did this once with blue color..Didnt work so well though as my beard was still dark...She also reminded me that The color ran down my chest as the sweat coming off me washed it down. I had a blue neck, chest, and stomach!..Now that my chin is almost all white a flourescent color should show up GOOD!..Sort of like painting a fishing lure!...You have to prime it white to make the flourescent colors be brite!
 I'll post a pic when its ready!!

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 12:55:56 PM »

Ok, bring back the uhh, orange fuzz!!


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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2008, 08:15:53 AM »

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I'm a general and I'm flying a 45oz female redtail named Belle on squirrels mostly and a few rabbits.   
This pic is a passage coopers.  You can tell by the yellow eyes.  they get red in them there 2nd year
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2008, 02:11:50 PM »

Heya Danno,

Nice to see another dirt hawker around. I've never flown any of my old tails or harris' on squirrels, there's a few guys in my local area that do though. Good on ya.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2008, 02:43:10 PM »

I have a hawk story that I guess might fit here. Sorry if I’m hijacking your post.
When I was in college I had a job cutting grass. Well every few months we had to bush hog this giant field about 200 acres or so. Well I was cutting away and getting to the last few strips and on every pass a little baby rabbit would bust out of the tall grass in front of me and shoot around and run back into the tall grass behind me. Well it came to my last pass and when I got close to him I got off the tractor. I walked and jumped the rabbit and chased him way out into the field so I would not run him over. I must have run him 200 feet from the tractor so I figured he was safe, and out of harm’s way. As I was getting back on the tractor I glanced over my shoulder to make sure he was still out there. What I saw was a big old red tailed hawk beginning lunch. Seems I ran his lunch right to him I felt terrible the rest of the day for that one

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008, 03:04:47 PM »

They normally have to work harder than that for lunch.  You just made his day.  That is how we hunt rabbits with them.  We are the bird dogs or rabbit dogs in this case and beat the brush while they watch from the tree tops
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 03:13:25 PM »

That must be one of the coolest things to work with a predator like that
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008, 05:07:02 PM »

I'm just guessing, but does "Passage" mean a young bird?
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2008, 07:42:07 AM »

 passage is a young bird of its first year. 
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