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« on: September 18, 2008, 04:28:33 PM »

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=9796189&ch=4226713&src=news

thought it would really be appreciated here
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 09:37:16 PM »

tizzzz the season.  can't wait until it's over!  i usually enjoy this stuff, but this time around it all sucks.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 09:49:37 PM »

The outrage over this, is pretty scary.  It's unbelievable to me that anyone running for president or vice president would have any expectation of keeping things from the public, and the desire to do so, indicates a problem in my opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 09:55:29 PM »

so if you run for office, you should have no expectation of privacy in your personal correspondence??  come on.  what twist of thinking makes the press and public believe that they should be privy to every private corner of a politicians life? 

maybe they should bend over and submit to a public strip search before taking office?
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 11:17:16 PM »

so if you run for office, you should have no expectation of privacy in your personal correspondence??  come on.  what twist of thinking makes the press and public believe that they should be privy to every private corner of a politicians life? 

Everyone is constitutionally guaranteed a basic right to privacy, unfortunately too many court cases have split hairs on this issue to the point that the guarantee is, in actuality, no longer there for anyone in the public eye.  The Public eye, in this case, is any news report, however brief.

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Nationally televised of course.   LOL
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 11:24:57 PM »

so if you run for office, you should have no expectation of privacy in your personal correspondence??  come on.  what twist of thinking makes the press and public believe that they should be privy to every private corner of a politicians life? 

maybe they should bend over and submit to a public strip search before taking office?

If that office happens to be the leader(s) of the free world... yes. 

Think about it this way... if a presidential or vice-presidential candidate were sending private emails to friends and family about how the first thing they were going to do when they got into office was to re-open auchweitz and finish what Hitler started... shouldn't we know about it?  Take that a step further now... how can you know they aren't doing that, without "invading their privacy" to find out?

Besides, I'd wager the "hacker" never get's caught because he or she is in cahoots with Palin, to "hack" her personal email and release only the non-imbarrassing emails... particularly the ones that aren't in violation of FOIA... that way, everyone will think there's nothing to those allegations and dismiss them, meanwhile, who knows what other emails weren't released? 
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 09:38:10 AM »

sorry, can't go with you on this.  it doesn't even make sense. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 10:02:14 AM »

so if you run for office, you should have no expectation of privacy in your personal correspondence??  come on.  what twist of thinking makes the press and public believe that they should be privy to every private corner of a politicians life? 

maybe they should bend over and submit to a public strip search before taking office?

If that office happens to be the leader(s) of the free world... yes. 

Think about it this way... if a presidential or  candidate were sending private emails to friends and family about how the first thing they were going to do when they got into office was to reopen Auschwitz and finish what Hitler started... shouldn't we know about it?  Take that a step further now... how can you know they aren't doing that, without "invading their privacy" to find out?

Besides, I'd wager the "hacker" never gets caught because he or she is in cahoots with Palin, to "hack" her personal email and release only the non-imbarrassing emails... particularly the ones that aren't in violation of FOIA... that way, everyone will think there's nothing to those allegations and dismiss them, meanwhile, who knows what other emails weren't released? 

Come on do you think this lady is plotting world dominance in a Yahoo email account. This is simply a cheap shot at Mrs. Palin because they couldn't find any true dirt on her. Her entry into this race has scared a lot of people because they see the novelty of the Democrates pick for President has worn off. True colors are starting to show.

And also if all it took to restart the mass extermination of the Jews or reopen Auschwitz was a couple of emails, well thats just sad.

Will the hacker ever get caught your right he/she probably never will, but if they do we should make an example of that person to maybe prevent this type of behavior in the future.

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 05:15:52 PM »

Reminds me of the couple driving up the highway with a scanner and just happened to catch Newt Gingrichs cell phone call and handing it over to the news media a few years ago. Purely an accident!!
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 10:22:35 PM »

Come on do you think this lady is plotting world dominance in a Yahoo email account. This is simply a cheap shot at Mrs. Palin because they couldn't find any true dirt on her. Her entry into this race has scared a lot of people because they see the novelty of the Democrates pick for President has worn off. True colors are starting to show.

And also if all it took to restart the mass extermination of the Jews or reopen Auschwitz was a couple of emails, well thats just sad.

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The Auschwitz thing was an exageration to make the point that the american public needs to know certain info about it's elected officials.  This person, if elected, will be shaping this country's policies for the next 4 years.  I mean, think about how the current VP's oil interests have shaped what you're paying for gas now?  Their private lives make a big difference to this country in that office.  So I have to say, apart from marital privacy, anyone running for president or vice president, shouldn't have a private life.  It's like my grandfather used to say, if you don't want the world to know what you're doing or saying, it's because you know you're not doing the right thing.

Let's assume for a minute that this wasn't an intentional move by the Palin campaign.  Palin is already being investigated for various criminal activity, much of which is centered around her use of private email to conduct government business illegally.  It's an investigation that is being hampered by witnesses that are stalling until the election is over.  Those hackers simply did what the law can't do, and got the truth out to the American people in a timely enough mannor that we can make informed decisions at the voter booths. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 10:26:47 PM »

well then,  the article that was suposed to be there was about three adjacent houses in florida that had been "infested' WITH HONEY BEES,  NOT SURE HOW THIS GOT THERE
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 10:38:49 PM »

That is drivel. What you called an informed decision is nothing more than a manipulated one if made on the basis of wrongly publicized private information. Politicians are entitled to the same protections as all Americans, and running for office does not somehow strip a person of those rights.  The publics desire to revel in a Jerry Springer moment while attempting to couch it terms of a need to know is ridiculous. I have no desire nor right to read the private emails of Ms. Palin or Mr. Obama. The contents of same are none of my business nor anyone else's.  Rationalization of invasion of privacy in the name of patriotism is foolish.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2008, 10:57:11 PM »

PCF - So politicians are allowed to break the law, and the public shouldn't know about it until their next job, where they can pardon themself for it, is already secured?
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2008, 11:04:32 PM »

The real issue is the illegal hacking of the private email account. Whatever they find does not excuse it.
This was not done by power of subpoena ,and if there was any evidence found this way,it will surely be thrown out. They were hoping to find dirt bit the only info has been of the "Private " matters.I don't think discussions with family and friends needs to be aired publicly.
I can guarantee you you can't get information freely of top level cabinet meetings either.
There is some business that does not need or should it be handled publicly.
 And politicians do break the law. Look at the Senator ,I think in Mississippi that got caught with a freezer full of ill gotten cash!!
James Traficant is in prison,I guess for breaking laws,so there is plenty of corruption to go around.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2008, 11:27:11 PM »

it was Jefferson of LA.  got the national guard to boat him out to his flooded home so he could check on his cash  smiley. managed to get himself re-elected!
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2008, 12:29:27 AM »

Congressmen and senators are different.  For one thing, they don't have the single-handed power to start wars.  The president does.  Senators and congressmen don't have their finger on "the nuclear trigger", the president does.  A single senator or congressman doesn't make a big difference, because no matter how stupid the thing they want to force this country into, they can't do it without the approval of at least half of the rest of them.  The president is in a unique postion where that is simply not the case.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2008, 02:10:42 AM »

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=9802734&ch=4226713&src=news   i hope this is the link i was actually trying to post
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2008, 02:11:51 AM »

i give up,  that aint it either
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 06:11:23 AM »

If you do find it, and I hope you do... start a new thread... this one's shot to heck already.   grin


PS - maybe you could say how you found it and we could go off looking for it.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2008, 06:28:35 AM »

Congressmen and senators are different.  For one thing, they don't have the single-handed power to start wars.  The president does.  Senators and congressmen don't have their finger on "the nuclear trigger", the president does.  A single senator or congressman doesn't make a big difference, because no matter how stupid the thing they want to force this country into, they can't do it without the approval of at least half of the rest of them.  The president is in a unique postion where that is simply not the case.

So this makes it okay? Many of these same Senators aspire to be the President,so the same scrutiny should apply. They have access to many things that should not be seen by others and often sell to the highest bidder which can be just as great of a risk to our country. Especially the socialist "blame America first " crowd.
The point of the e-mail is it was "illegally " hacked.It was done for political purposes and nothing more. It was not done on the basis of "National Security".
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