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« on: August 29, 2008, 05:44:01 AM »

I just have to wonder how many of you always take the side of the school against your kids? You know.... the teacher sends the kid to the principle's office for some stupid little something. The principle then calls you, you go in and politely listen, nodding you head in agreement. Then tell your child to bow down to the wishes of the school.

Come on.... How many of you do that?

Back when I had kids in school they were always calling me for some little infraction the kids might have done. Many times I felt the school was wrong wrong wrong. And I certainly let them know about it. I don't know... I guess I feel schools shouldn't be run like Nazi concentration camps. I always feel the constitution of the USA should reach into the schools also.

There is this TV channel "Tru" and there is one of those stupid shows on there called the "principle's office". (or something like that) I watched a bit of it around 8:45 PM. Now here it is 4:39 in the morning and I am still disturbed, angry, befuddled, by what I saw.

If those were my kids the first thing would have been me telling them to turn the cameras off and get out. Then proceeded to tell the principle just how wrong he was. 
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 06:51:27 AM »

My son isn't old enough for school yet, but the things I see in the news are so wrong it's just crazy... and you bet I would let them know about it if it were my son on the wrong side of their lunacy.  It's not just in the schools, but the school system does seem to be conducive to retaining looney people... I certainly don't know of any other job where tenure is given so that you can't be fired for screwing up.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 07:28:29 AM »

  the school called my once to come get my daughter back in the 70s because she led a protest and the whole class walked out.. I told them to keep her right there and let her take the bus home, why should she come home and watch TV all day.

 When I was in school and did anything that the school didn't approve of or disrupted the class room, i wound up on the floor or got bounced off the wall and no one called my house, if they did and i was in the wrong, i would be in more trouble. If anyone threw things around on the bus or started any trouble, the driver stopped the bus and the trouble maker got off no matter where it was or what the weather was. the teachers and driver had controll then, not the students. we had rules and everyone obeyed or they went home. I don't agree with the old methods of punishment, but they worked better than todays methods, one trip to the principlas office was usually enough back then.
  Back then, I could carry a knive, bring a gun to school to work on in the shop.
          I don't think 6 ear rings in my nose or green hair would have went over very good, also we wore our pants above our rearends, not 5 sizes to big and below,our hats came off at the door. If someone was using fowl language, they usually got a fat lip. Today most kids are wearing head phones listening to music or talking n a cell phone, when i stop in at the school today, it looks more like a carnival to see who can look the weirdest and swear the loudest.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 10:11:48 AM »

Yep. When the child is in the wrong then I believe the punishment should fit the wrong doing. But when the child is wrongly accused, wrongly punished, and the punishment is excessive is what I am talking about. It is those times that the kids don't really have a voice. And of course the schools stance is that it is never wrong. And when the parent takes them to the mat over it, then the child is marked.... and they are going after him/her on every little thing. Even if it is something they made up and bot in the school rule book. Yes there was one time I used the police book against the school. Showed them where they were not going by the book but adding to or taking away as they pleased.

With kids of my own in the school I learned that all the "Bill of Rights" was suspended. First amendment  rolleyes forget it. 4th 5th 6th and 8th.... JUST GONE  shocked
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 10:21:09 AM »

I agree, I send my kids to charter schools. Not private and don't cost anything extra just a charter. That way you get small class sizes, better teachers and better environment. I am disgusted by the teachers that are aloud to teach in our public school systems, but it is our own fault. Teachers go to school, get their degree and then get railroaded by the public system, have to deal with idiot principas and vice principle, and to top it off are offered less than a Wendy's line cook makes for wages.....
Got to love government run education....
Can't wait for the health care system to kick in....
Sorry, don't want to open that can of worms again
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 12:03:26 PM »

Three places the constitution doesn't apply  School, Work and the Military,  School is where you learn about the Constitution,  Work? You have the right to work or get fired.  And the Military defend the Constitution and democracy  And I would never agree with anyone saying my child had done wrong if they hadn't.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 08:06:27 PM »

Works both ways.

When my oldest son was in 4th grade, I got a call from his "very concerned" principal about his "disturbing behavior". Turns out they wanted to suspend him because he was drawing pictures of guns in school, and apparently his teacher had become concerned because he said he was drawing pictures of his gun. No, I'm not kidding. They wanted to suspend him for that.

I took one look at it, said "Yeah, that's his pistol. It's a Ruger 22/45. We go to the range and he shoots it just about every weekend." I thought the principal was going to faint upon realizing that she was in the presence of an actual, evil firearm owner right there in her office - one so evil in fact, that he was indoctrinating his own child by letting him touch a magic wonder death wand. So I added "If I hear anymore about disciplining my child for this nonsense I'll have you pansies in court so fast your head will still be spinning when they declare you incompetent." Then I stormed out.

That was about the last I heard of that. cool

On the other hand, both my boys have a little bit of hellraiser in 'em (I have no idea where they get it from rolleyes) and both got in the occasional mischief. Nothing major, but when it came up I always backed up the principal, and then applied a little hand-delivered reinforcement when I got them home.

But from what I've seen, parents are the problem just as often as the educators, if not more so. Schools are filled with hyper-protective parents with snot-nosed, smartassed, self-important little brats who are in the principal's office screaming bloody murder every time little miss (or mister) perfect gets called down for something.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 09:14:07 PM »

I drive a school bus and I can tell you from experience that YOUR children (most but not all) act differently when out of your sight. Some parents when confronted about their children's behavior, never believe their child could be at fault even when shown the video tape.

Trust me, we have a whole lot more to do than pick on a well behaved child.

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 09:59:36 PM »

I used to work for a cell phone company... and while I worked there, I had a vice principal of a nearby school come in with her phone that she had destroyed via the toilet... she actually brought in a box of phone she said had been confiscated from kids at school and asked me if I would activate one of them on her personal account.  Some of them, really just don't seem to know right from wrong.  She didn't even get it when I explained to her how that's larceny... so I just told her I couldn't be a party to it.
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2008, 09:26:31 AM »

So little Billy was a good kid up until the 6th grade. Than something happened.

BULLIES!!! shocked

Little Billy was just minding his own business, as he always did, never bothered anyone, when suddenly he was hit by a spit ball that was shot through a straw belonging to Butch. Billy does not know why butch and his friends have chosen him to pick on. In fact he will never know. But seems he has somehow been targeted. Never suspected he was bully bait.

After a few more spit balls, he politely raises his hand.

Teacher ask what is it.

"Butch is throwing spit balls."

Of course Butch denies it and now Billy has really set himself up for attack. Now one of Butches friends joins in. Again Billy tells (on John this time). Again denied and nothing is done. The teacher even reprimands Billy for disturbing the class.

Later Billy is confronted by the bullies and threatened for telling on them. The little squealer. Who does he think he is.

Billy tells his parent. Parents tell Billy to tell his teacher. Billy says he did and nothing was done. Parents tell Billy the Bullies will get tired of it soon and stop.

But it doesn't. This goes on and on. Billy even collected the spit balls and presented them to the principle. Again everything was denied. No one had seen anyone doing what Billy claimed they were doing. (other kids don't want the bullies starting on them)

So one day a spit ball nails Billy right in the ear and Billy jumps up and throws a book at Butch and bings him on the head. Billy is sent to the office. Billy's Dad is called. Billy is in big trouble and is punished for his crime.

Now Billy is labeled a trouble maker.

And this goes on year after year. Billy gets into fights. His grades fall off. Sometime in high school he drops out. He can't get a good job and can't keep the jobs he does get.

Fed up with life he puts an end to it all.

Epitaph reads, "Billy was a good kid up until the sixth grade."
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2008, 10:26:57 AM »

Well you're just a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? cool
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2008, 08:08:07 PM »

My Son was having issues like that but we solved it, moved out to the country and now home school. Its great, getting the Constanitina Wire around the yard and searching for escape tunnels is time consuming but his grades have never been better. rolleyes
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 01:31:31 AM »

Dealing with bullies is easy... just fight them.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2008, 08:46:37 AM »

Yep! Then you're in trouble and deemed a trouble maker by bus drivers and teachers.

Or in the case of my son, all three of them are bigger than you and they have you on the ground beating the crap out of you.
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 02:14:41 PM »

Yep! Then you're in trouble and deemed a trouble maker by bus drivers and teachers.

Or in the case of my son, all three of them are bigger than you and they have you on the ground beating the crap out of you.

That's ok too... even little guys can learn to fight... next time, tell him to hit first, and hit hard... aim for the nose or eyes... even if he gets the snot beaten out of him after the first hit... a bloody nose or black eye every time they try to pick on him will make them stop, and a willingness to defend himself or others that they might pick on, even though he knows he might get beat, will earn their respect in time.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2008, 08:00:13 PM »

He was ambushed. Didn't see it coming.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 05:44:55 AM »

He was ambushed. Didn't see it coming.

He'll see them at school the next day though.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 07:31:16 AM »



That's ok too... even little guys can learn to fight... next time, tell him to hit first, and hit hard... aim for the nose or eyes... even if he gets the snot beaten out of him after the first hit... a bloody nose or black eye every time they try to pick on him will make them stop, and a willingness to defend himself or others that they might pick on, even though he knows he might get beat, will earn their respect in time.

   Amen, usually a bullie will not bother you again if they know you will stand your ground and will take a beating to do it.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 08:32:36 AM »

From personal experience what you are saying is wrong. When you have a bully with a few friends, they will give back twice what you give them. If you get one of them by himself and even manage to best him, the next day... or in the future... you will be visited by him and his friends.

As for my son, one of the guys kicking on him saw the principle come out the door and those three took off. My son was given the usual punishment for fighting, which he wasn't fighting, he was just getting beat up. Not seeing the other boys for himself, the principle did nothing towards punishment. Just a warning that if they were ever caught then they would be dealt with.

And guess who got their butt kicked away from school for telling?
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 09:32:16 AM »

I'll wade in since I've taught high school 8 years and primary for 3.  Your kids are out of control (most of 'em anyway).  They have no rules at home and when they come to school they think it should be the same.  They are spoiled and selfish no matter their economic background.  I don't call parents about problems many times because I will not get any support from the home.  The kids are always right!!  Bleeding hearts took corporal punishment out of the school and that was the end.  I got one paddling in school and that was all it took for me not to get another one, because when I got home I was unable to sit for a week.  School has to be run "like a concentration camp" because there is essential no recourse for bad behavior--what can we do except call you?  They are here to learn, not to entertain or disrupt others.  Maybe home school is a good alternative for some who think otherwise.  The republicans passed a law here that said anybody can home school--it was great because all those whose children could not behave went home!!!  Tired of being called, I guess?   Don't get me started about the collapse of the family and divorce and children out of wedlock.  My rate in class right now is 75%.  Is that the school's fault too?  Make no mistake those three thing have a tremendous affect on children.  Finished.
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