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« on: July 25, 2008, 09:13:02 PM »



Hi all, please help!

If any of you remember, I added 2 brood frames (about a week ago) from my original hive to my package hive that I installed the last days of May, that didn't seem to be doing so well....today i made an inspection of this hive, and found...new bees, bees emerging, some uncapped larva, some still capped brood, and a gillion small worms crawling every where, on the 2 frames that I added.  Also some worms on a frame beside these two, but they didn't seem to be comming from the cells, just on the frames.  I removed as many as I could and killed them, but I didnt' take away the whole frame because of the brood emerging.  What danger are they to the bees? and recommendation for what to do to control or kill what is left, or prevention???


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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 09:22:25 PM »

Have you tried saying beetlejuice three times out loud?  It won't help, but it might make you smile a bit.

Sorry, I couldn't help it.  I'm sure someone will chime in with some better advise soon.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 09:28:45 PM »

Hi SgtMaj

Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice......I made some beetlejuice today, I squished those suckers.   Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 09:36:25 PM »

I would freeze any comb with larva and then allow to thaw at brought back to room temp. before putting back in the hive for the bees to clean up. Any large amount of larva will destroy your hive if it has not already. I have just recently had to deal with this situation. The best way to prevent this from happening is to keep strong hives, combine any weak hives before they get infested. Also put some West beetle traps, or one of the others on ASAP. Hope this helps, Daniel
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 09:51:24 PM »

Thanks Daniel

Yes, it does help.  I appreciate any advice.  I have 2 hives, both hives are deep brood 10 frame. When I took the 2 brood frames from the eldest hive I didn't see any sign of beetles, but apparently they were there. Do you recommend combining? It seems they are both infected now.

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 09:59:59 PM »

Also put some West beetle traps, or one of the others on ASAP. Hope this helps, Daniel

Even after reading up on them, I do not understand how those traps work, can you please explain it for me?

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From what I understand, combining is probably going to be the first and best line of defense against them.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 10:15:17 PM »

greenismycolor said - Do you recommend combining? It seems they are both infected now.
dhood said- I think I need to refer you to someone more experienced for this one. I have done this recently with one hive with only a small presence of larva. Froze the frame with larva, then combined the weak colony with strongest hive. They cleaned it up, but, I was warned afterwards that this could have been a disaster.  Freezing will kill all stages of SHB.at And the traps will help also. I am new at this also, so I havent used the traps yet, but I have been told that you put either vinagar or oil in the trap, and they will climb in to hide from the bees and get trapped. You can see a picture of them on one of the major suppliers websites and a description. I would post a link to the picture but I read that were not suppose to post links on this forum?  huh
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 11:05:30 PM »

SgtMaj.

I watched a video at www.beekeeperlinda.blogspot.com, where she made a beetle trap.  She explained that the bettle can enter but the bee can't. The container is filled with mineral oil and the beetle drowns.  She also puts a lure inside, and gives the recipe for it.  If you wanna see go to her site and search beetle.

It seems that at this point, I must freeze any infected frames, and combine my hives, set traps for them and use star guard to treat the soil around the hives.  It seems this is a bigger problem in the south as the weather is hot and humid and the beetles love it.

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oh here is the website http://beekeeperlinda.blogspot.com/2007/05/small-hive-beetle-trap-saga.html didn't know I could post a website here  embarassed
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 05:05:59 AM »

AJ beetle-eater and a hood trap.




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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2008, 07:02:27 AM »

I would post a link to the picture but I read that were not suppose to post links on this forum?  huh

Links and photos are fine once a member has established themselves. We have implemented a restriction in the software for new members because of past spamming issues with pornography.  A little more activity in the forum and you will have the restriction automatically removed. Your almost there Smiley

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2008, 08:22:43 AM »

We have implemented a restriction in the software for new members because of past spamming issues with pornography.

Gosh knows, that's a nearly impossible fight to win, too.  No matter what you do, eventually they'll find a way around it.  I started a forum a few years back, and once it got out there and became popular, the spamers quickly found it.  I spent more than a year writing and rewriting and revising security measures to try to prevent it... it was a losing battle.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 08:38:07 AM »

We have implemented a restriction in the software for new members because of past spamming issues with pornography.

Gosh knows, that's a nearly impossible fight to win, too.  No matter what you do, eventually they'll find a way around it.  I started a forum a few years back, and once it got out there and became popular, the spamers quickly found it.  I spent more than a year writing and rewriting and revising security measures to try to prevent it... it was a losing battle.

Yup,  it is just one of the continuous challenges that happen "behind the scene" in keeping this forum going.  So far we have been able to keep on top of it without too much impact to the members.
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2008, 08:16:07 PM »

AJ beetle-eater and a hood trap.





Are you happy with the performance of the AJ beetle traps ? Reason I ask is we just installed one in each of our hives. We're hoping they do the trick.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2008, 10:24:11 PM »

Did you cover the trap w/linoleum etc. Works better when covered. They seem to work better than the Hood in my opinion. Haven't tried the West.
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2008, 02:14:05 AM »

i put aj trap's in , put veggie oil in checked to day no beatells squashed 4 traps been in 3 days, been told to try vinegar with the oil.came back made up tray trying ant bait  coved with soil so when the lave comes out to bury it self the poison, might do the job.i don't like using poison .is any onecatching lava in these traps,or are they only getting the adult's.one fella i was speaking to said we need to come up with idea to break cycle.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2008, 08:01:45 PM »

Did you cover the trap w/linoleum etc. Works better when covered. They seem to work better than the Hood in my opinion. Haven't tried the West.
Linoleum will probably work better than the thick rubber pieces we used. Thanks for the great idea.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2008, 09:00:34 PM »

What if you moved your hive a little bit away and treated the soil well, waited a few weeks for the residual of the pesticide to go away and moved the hive back?  Looks like this could be a management strategy.  Have two -- three areas with soil treated and rotate?  Most OTC pesticides have a short residual-weeks.  DDT and others had decade-long residuals.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2008, 09:38:34 PM »

SHB do love the hot south - but this year with hood traps, Sonny-Mel traps, AJ's beetle eater, and a mouth aspirator all ready and waiting, I haven't had enough small hive beetles to bother with. 

I don't know why - I had a big problem last year. 

All I can do is chime in with the rest, saying that the strength of the hives makes all the difference.

I put a post on my blog today about the bees chasing the SHBs - one even carrying out a dead beetle like they would a dead bee!

(Thanks for watching my video - I'm construction challenged - but the Sonny-Mel trap doesn't involve sophisticated construction!)

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2008, 01:36:46 PM »

I live in Ohio, am a first year beekeeper, just noticed SHB in my hive and have been using natural beekeeping practices. This is my first post after joining the site today. In researching treatments I read that the soil around the hive can be chemically treated against the beetle larvae which seemed interesting to me because it did not involve adding chemicals directly into the hive, however I noticed today as I was squashing SHB under my inner cover that one of them took wing and flew away. I wasn't aware they had the ability to fly. I have one hive in the middle of the city and according to the bee inspector am the only beekeeper for miles around. I've wondered how they made it all the way to my hive from miles away--flight. Taking this into consideration, I've reevaluated the soil soaking considering new beetles, attracted to the scent of the hive would (I assume) be continually replenishing the hive's beetle population not only from the ground, but attacking from the air too. Traps may be the best long term solution until something better comes along. I did my first trap inspection today. I'm using an 'AJ's Beetle Eater' trap which was installed on 8/10. I killed about 12 SHB under the inner cover with my hive tool and found just as many drowned in the trap using a combination of oil and vinegar. My trap isn't covered--I might try to cover it with something to create a more welcoming environment for the SHB.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2008, 07:59:23 PM »

Metrobee, Stay on top of them. If your hive gets weak, with those numbers, they WILL take over. They create a foul mess. I speak from experience.

Welcome to the forum. Please start another thread under the "Greetings/tell us about yourself" and tell us about yourself.

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