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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 05:07:35 AM »

Ok, so I can kinda understand some people's desire not to eat flesh, however, I don't understand the no animal products of any kind... I mean, seriously, why not milk, or eggs for that matter?  I just don't understand their reasoning... if they even have any. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2008, 05:30:16 AM »

Ok, so I can kinda understand some people's desire not to eat flesh, however, I don't understand the no animal products of any kind... I mean, seriously, why not milk, or eggs for that matter?  I just don't understand their reasoning... if they even have any. 

Strict vegans choose not to eat any animal products whatsoever because they think it is cruel.


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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2008, 06:54:07 AM »

How is it cruel to drink milk?  It's cruel to NOT milk cows... in fact they can and will die if not milked.  Also, how is it cruel to eat eggs?  Those eggs are not fertilized, meaning that even if you incubate it forever, no chicken will hatch from it, and the hens will continue to lay eggs reguardless of what happens to them, so it's not cruel.  What is it supposed to be cruel to the bacteria or maggots that would otherwise have fed on the dead cow or rotting eggs?  I think the lack of protein in their diets has diminished their ability to reason if you ask me, 'cause that's just crazy.
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2008, 09:38:33 AM »

Sarge, its their mindset that eating animals or any derivative of an animal is anti-vegan, strict vegans won't wear fur either and even feed their cats and dogs vegetable diets, cats are carnivores and need lots of meat, btw.

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2008, 10:45:23 AM »

sarge IMHO true militant vegans don't really like cows they blame them for the global warming craze due to the methane they release go figure.
I think they would rather plant some tofu creating plant on the grazzing land then have cows eating the grass, thus further depriving us carnivores of the oh so delicious red meat I was so well designed to eat.

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 11:06:59 AM »

So it doesn't bother them how many under ground dwelling creatures are disturbed, killed and maimed when tilling for planting the fruits and vegetables  huh
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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2008, 11:41:09 AM »

What really bothers me about the fanatics is that I don't care what beliefs others have, just mind your own business & let me mind mine!  I do wonder if they have taken into account what it takes to make their tofu, if they are not organic the pesticides & fert. used to grow crops, fossil fuels used to harvest, elect to process, packaging, plastics...paper, grocery bags....gas & emissions used to go to the store...what it takes to make clothes, cleaners & everything else that goes into everyday living. I'm all for humane growing & processing of animals, no reason to make their short lives miserable but their purpose is to feed us...I remember a few years ago the PETA (I think) people let a bunch of minks loose up north from here...just think what that did to the local ecosystem! Not to mention that the minks were not used to hunting for themselves, watching out for cars & whatever.  Just my 2cents worth!  Jody
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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2008, 11:54:58 AM »

Sarge, its their mindset that eating animals or any derivative of an animal is anti-vegan, strict vegans won't wear fur either and even feed their cats and dogs vegetable diets, cats are carnivores and need lots of meat, btw.

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Well then they shouldn't eat vegetables either... because if it wasn't for humans planting and harvesting veggies, A: most varieties wouldn't even exist, and B: none of them would be available for sale.  Last I checked, humans are animals too, so that makes vegetables a derivative of humans.  Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2008, 12:16:57 PM »

So it doesn't bother them how many under ground dwelling creatures are disturbed, killed and maimed when tilling for planting the fruits and vegetables  huh

No they are not very warm, fuzzy, cute, and and picture worthy
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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2008, 01:11:17 PM »

the dingbats marched, protested, and molested a fur company and it's customers in Portland.  they did it for more than a year.  the company finally went out of business.  they'd been here for over 100 years.  the city would not control the protesters even though they were threatening violence and blocking the sidewalk.

Portland put up an area for (illegal) workers to gather and wait for day labor.  ONE man protested outside the enclosure and was arrested after he sat on the sidewalk.  it got about 5 min. coverage and was never mentioned again.


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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2008, 01:17:26 PM »

Guess that company wasn't saavy enough to make a living suing the state/city for violations of the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States... that would be equal protection under the law by the way. 
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 02:21:22 PM »

http://www.katu.com/news/7133786.html

http://www.katu.com/news/local/14444957.html

it's not about smart.  how much money can you spend when you already know the legal system is against you?  they never stood a chance in the SR of O.
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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2008, 02:25:22 PM »

the dingbats marched, protested, and molested a fur company and it's customers in Portland.  they did it for more than a year.  the company finally went out of business.  they'd been here for over 100 years.  the city would not control the protesters even though they were threatening violence and blocking the sidewalk.

Portland put up an area for (illegal) workers to gather and wait for day labor.  ONE man protested outside the enclosure and was arrested after he sat on the sidewalk.  it got about 5 min. coverage and was never mentioned again.




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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 02:57:16 PM »

http://www.katu.com/news/7133786.html

http://www.katu.com/news/local/14444957.html

it's not about smart.  how much money can you spend when you already know the legal system is against you?  they never stood a chance in the SR of O.


That's why they would have to appeal up to the federal level... actually the case would probably start out in a federal court as state/local judges would have to requse themselves on a conflict of interest basis... kinda hard to rule against your own employer objectively. 

You're right that it would be an uphill battle for them... but here again, all they really need is to make enough to pay for relocation to move somewhere more friendly to killing animals... like Texas, or the Dakotas, etc.  Any place inland should be fine, really.  Anything they get on top of what they need to relocate is pure profit, right?
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