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They say these pics are of old Charlie Hestons Bunker...
« on: July 18, 2008, 04:46:18 AM »





It would be a hoot if it was his! Ole Dallas and Bud and Ted, calm down boys you can look but dont touch!

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 08:29:29 AM »
kinda heartless not being able to touch; now that is a candy store
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 11:23:43 AM »
my brother and i have been talking about buying one of the old missile silos and converting it.  they make great (secure) homes.  that room would fit right in. 

every time they do one of those guy buy backs and i see those irreplaceable antiques being turned in for 50 bucks, i want to cry.
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Re: They say these pics are of old Charlie Hestons Bunker...
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 11:42:17 AM »
kinda heartless not being able to touch; now that is a candy store


That is a wonderful collection, isn't it? 

And Kathy, you are so right.  It's a darned shame.  But after all, those are illegal guns, ya know  :roll:

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Re: They say these pics are of old Charlie Hestons Bunker...
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 12:23:16 AM »
kinda heartless not being able to touch; now that is a candy store


That is a wonderful collection, isn't it? 

And Kathy, you are so right.  It's a darned shame.  But after all, those are illegal guns, ya know  :roll:

Actually, according to the US Constitution, there is no such thing as an illegal gun.

Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette February 20, 1788: "Congress has no power to disarm the militia.  Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American....The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."  emphases added.

US v. Miller 307 US 174 (1939):  "...show plainly enough that the militia comprises all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.  These men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use (by the military) at the time."

So even automatic weapons are guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment according to the Writer's of the US Constitution (per their explanations in various news papers [aka The Federalist Papers] of the time) and prior findings of the US Supreme Court.

If somebody ever wants to make a big deal out of my personal collection of military rifles (Spanish American War through Vietnam) I intend to cite US v. Miller.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 01:27:53 AM »
And Kathy, you are so right.  It's a darned shame.  But after all, those are illegal guns, ya know  :roll:

No those are legal guns the cops are buying... and melting down... some of which are worth a LOT of money...

I read a story a few years back about a guy turning in an antique worth more than $100,000 for the $50 the cops were offering.  The reporter offered to buy it from the cops, and even offered them $25,000 cash on the spot for it... no go, it got melted.

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 04:21:14 AM »
If you follow the links to this guys collection (stern) you will see some amazing guns in incredible condition that are quite priceless.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 07:43:55 AM »
Guys, understand something.  I live in Massachusetts, the land of the screaming, foaming at the mouth liberal.  All guns are bad.  No one should own one except the police, and, of course, the bad guys will all just disarm if we buy back their guns!  Mumbles, a.k.a. Mayor Menino, is constantly going on about illegal guns.  They have gun buy backs to get all of those 'illegal guns' off the street.  It's a big joke.  Of course guns can't be 'illegal', the user of the weapon is the one breaking the law.  But here in Massachusetts guns commit crimes all on their own.  They are evil and need to be eradicated.  Not the creeps who break every single law to have them, and we don't throw their butts in jail and throw away the key, they try to pour on more and more gun control onto the citizens who are jumping through every single hoop to either get or keep their permit  :roll:

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 08:22:19 AM »
Guys, understand something.  I live in Massachusetts, the land of the screaming, foaming at the mouth liberal.  All guns are bad.  No one should own one except the police, and, of course, the bad guys will all just disarm if we buy back their guns!  Mumbles, a.k.a. Mayor Menino, is constantly going on about illegal guns.  They have gun buy backs to get all of those 'illegal guns' off the street.  It's a big joke.  Of course guns can't be 'illegal', the user of the weapon is the one breaking the law.  But here in Massachusetts guns commit crimes all on their own.  They are evil and need to be eradicated.  Not the creeps who break every single law to have them, and we don't throw their butts in jail and throw away the key, they try to pour on more and more gun control onto the citizens who are jumping through every single hoop to either get or keep their permit  :roll:

That's like saying illegal drugs are illegal, hey, wait, they are illegal aren't they??


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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008, 09:04:54 AM »
Our good old feds will sell you a permit to buy any of these , it costs over $200 to by an individual stamp for each or you can buy a class 3 federal firearms license and buy and sell these items; so as long as you buy rights that are already guranteed you by the bill of rights it is permissable to own these guns
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 11:21:21 AM »
check this out.  talk about the slippery slope!

my sister lives in england. the latest thing there is to ban all knives that have points.  even things like steak knives.  if you want to buy a sharp knife, you have to show id and prove that you are over 18.  now this....

If you are carrying a knife and you are caught, you should expect to go to prison. Plain, simple, clear."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/15/europe/knives.php

http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html

ah yes, we should all aspire to the european model!

does it never occur to these law makers that the problem is with the nut balls that do the crime, and the society that lets them get on with it?  do you think that i would wake up one day and while slipping my little .45 in my pocket say "oh, i have a gun.  i think i'll go kill someone today"?  not likely.  i was brought up to respect life and the law.  mixed in that teaching was a certain amount of fear about God and authority.  that's not a bad thing.  would i kill?  yes, and without hesitation, under the right circumstances.  that was also part of my training.

we do not teach our children respect for anything.  we teach them that life has no meaning.  god does not exist or care.  challenge all authority.  we wonder why society decays, and we pass more laws to try and control the behavior of our little creations.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2008, 12:24:32 PM »
I saw that class 3 license thing Bud, seems fair to me, anything under an AA gun is legal.

The UK has had a truly dreadful few years dealing with knife crimes. So far this year, 22 children between the age of 12 and 16 have been stabbed to death in London alone.

They have to do something, they are starting with the knives that are combat/hunting types thatr have no purpose in an urban area and will move down the line from there.

Handguns are almost unheard of in the UK, remember 90% of their police force is not armed. Their theory has always been that whatever we brandish, the crooks will go one better. Remarkably, this philosophy has served them well. Throughout the IRA bombings the English Bobby went unarmed, except for truncheon.

Sadly since the break up of the former Communist countries, the rules between coppers and robbers in the UK have changed somewhat, and in a few years, all UK coppers will be armed.

It will be a sad day, but a necessary one, if not for the protection of the coppers alone.

In short, the UK has to remove the kind of knives that teenagers think are cool. They wont weild welded cut down sharpened iron pickets, theres no status in that.


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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2008, 12:52:33 PM »
Plain and simple, who will protect you at 3am when a criminal breaks into your home with ill intentions touting an illegal weapon hyped up on illegal drugs? Will 911 save your butt before the creep freaks out on you?


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In short, the UK has to remove the kind of knives that teenagers think are cool

this has always been the thinking with weapons removal.  it has never, in any country, worked.  the problem is not the weapon, it is with the user.  remove the criminal from the weapon and the weapon will lie there looking pretty for all its days.  never will it jump up, missing the days of bloodshed, and go on a killing rampage.

people are not innately good.  with no moral restraint, people do bad things....including killing. 

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In short, the UK has to remove the kind of knives that teenagers think are cool

this has always been the thinking with weapons removal.  it has never, in any country, worked.  the problem is not the weapon, it is with the user.  remove the criminal from the weapon and the weapon will lie there looking pretty for all its days.  never will it jump up, missing the days of bloodshed, and go on a killing rampage.

people are not innately good.  with no moral restraint, people do bad things....including killing. 



I think we're as good or bad as we choose to be, let's face it, most heinous decisions are just that, decisions, we as a society need to stop placing blame and take ownership of our choices or suffer the consequences, which is a problem in itself because there are those that don't want to grow up and there are no real consequences for the immature, irresponsible at heart.

What ever happened to just admitting you were wrong for God's sake!


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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2008, 05:52:54 PM »
There are a couple of these home security alarm commercials that come on quite often. Some guy kicks down the door, the alarm goes off, and the guy runs away. Probably to go kick in another door  :?  :shock:

I always think, with the new Texas law, he kicks down the door,

BANG,

no more door kicking.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2008, 06:06:14 PM »
There are a couple of these home security alarm commercials that come on quite often. Some guy kicks down the door, the alarm goes off, and the guy runs away. Probably to go kick in another door  :?  :shock:

I always think, with the new Texas law, he kicks down the door,

BANG,

no more door kicking.

Or maybe they'll just knock first, nice criminals? Hey I had a nice thief the other day steal my 100' extension chord and replace it with 2, 50' chords, I kid you not!!!  Wish crooks were more like that one!!


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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2008, 06:24:08 PM »
I remember reading 14-15 ago (early to mid 90's) about why other countries never thought about invading this country, it was talking about opening day of deer season here in Ga. there was a little over 300,000 deer hunters hit the woods, now that's just here in Ga. . it would be suicide for us to give up our weapons, I don't have many like some others do but I still think I have about 20 guns total. I was raised with them, got my first when I was 7 years old, they are a part of my life. now our country is getting invaded slowly from the south. time to buy some more shells and bullets  :-D :evil:   ;)
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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2008, 01:44:12 AM »
Good point.  Countries with well-armed civilians don't get invaded.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 03:31:44 AM »
Good point.  Countries with well-armed civilians don't get invaded.

If you want to outlaw deadly weapons lets not forget hatpins, tire irons, sissors, letter openers, wrenches, lamps, combs, forks, axes and hatches, wooden doweling, and of course, the perverbial lead pipe along with guns and knives.

Here's what one of the major framers of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights on the matter:

"Laws that forbid the carryinhg of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclimed nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulte and better for the assailants: they serve rhather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater cofidence than an armed man." 
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 09:21:18 AM »
I saw that class 3 license thing Bud, seems fair to me, anything under an AA gun is legal.

The UK has had a truly dreadful few years dealing with knife crimes. So far this year, 22 children between the age of 12 and 16 have been stabbed to death in London alone.

They have to do something, they are starting with the knives that are combat/hunting types thatr have no purpose in an urban area and will move down the line from there.

Handguns are almost unheard of in the UK, remember 90% of their police force is not armed. Their theory has always been that whatever we brandish, the crooks will go one better. Remarkably, this philosophy has served them well. Throughout the IRA bombings the English Bobby went unarmed, except for truncheon.

Sadly since the break up of the former Communist countries, the rules between coppers and robbers in the UK have changed somewhat, and in a few years, all UK coppers will be armed.

It will be a sad day, but a necessary one, if not for the protection of the coppers alone.

In short, the UK has to remove the kind of knives that teenagers think are cool. They wont weild welded cut down sharpened iron pickets, theres no status in that.



Your joking right you do realize the scum who commited these crimes will use the tools availabe to them. if not a knife or gun maybe a baseball bat, lead pipe, candalabra, hive tool, the closest thing to them at the time. if a murder is going to occur removing one tool just makes the murderer move on to the next choice. But remember with out the murderer all the tools are just inanimate objects.

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 02:19:25 PM »
good guns, bad guns?   If I beat someone to death with a table leg does it become assault weapon?  I think so.  Until that moment its just a table leg

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 06:43:07 PM »
good guns, bad guns?   If I beat someone to death with a table leg does it become assault weapon?  I think so.  Until that moment its just a table leg

Exactly, you can kill someone with a length of string if you want too or nothing else is available.  Punishing the perpetrator not outlawing the "weapon" is logical and just.  Banning any item used as a weapon, simply because it can be used to kill somebody is idiotic. 

Outlawing tools would put us all back to digging for our dinner with our hands...rocks and clubs, after all, are tools (weapons).
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2008, 07:28:50 PM »
Use a rock to get a hammer. Use a hammer to get a pitchfork. Use a pitchfork to get a pistol. Use a pistol to get an M-16.... and so on.

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2008, 07:44:59 PM »
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Outlawing tools would put us all back to digging for our dinner with our hands...rocks and clubs, after all, are tools (weapons).
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2008, 07:58:48 PM »
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