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Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« on: July 13, 2008, 03:58:50 PM »


Well this morning I got into my 6 high medium super hive which was my strongest hive. The wax moths got into that hive. I feel so badly that I did not stay on top of this hive.

They had a top super totally filled with uncapped honey 2 weeks ago. I had added another super below that one. The third one down from top had the queen and brood (I saw her). I never looked in the bottom 3 supers just assuming they were also filled up with brood or pollen or honey.

A lot happened in the past 2 weeks. We had record breaking heat and smoke from fires. I did not expect them to be making honey when they had to use all reserves to just keep the temperatures down. I wasn't prepared for the queen to slow down in laying. The population obviously wasn't as strong as I had thought.

Well I removed 3 medium supers (all the bad frames from the wax moths, and empty frames)and crowded them into 3 medium supers and placed the entrance reducer on at 4".

Does anyone have any other ideas I can do to make sure this hive will be ok?? I am a bit emotional right now, having just lost my laying worker hive last week to wax moths.

They have eaten 1/2 the honey already, never did cap it. But they still have lots to eat. I know they still have a queen having seen the larvae this morning.

I thank you all for the help
Annette

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 04:58:11 PM »
Oh Annette, you have certainly had your trials and tribulations with your colonies.  I wish that I could give you some information about that ding dang wax moth, but I have no clue.  Keep your chin up, others will chime in on what you can do.  I have never had issues with wax moth, so I just don't have a clue what to say.  Your weather has been a big hardship for you to work your colonies, sometimes we just can't get in them to do the things we have to do.  You must not get too emotional or down about this.  Things will always work out, others who have had wax moth problems will be able to help you out, wait.....and still girl, have that most beautiful day, life will be good again for you.  Cindi
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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 05:09:06 PM »
Annette, when colonies get that big this time of yr they usually throw off some swarms and unless you are right on top of things, you will have some extra space in there as a result, in the future, try and remove some of those boxes a little sooner.

Best stuff on the planet for waxmoth, get you some quick, but condensing the hive and keeping them strong may hold you over til you get some Certan.

http://www.beeworks.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18


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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 05:12:27 PM »
Try dropping in a mentholated cough drop. It's what I do in the fall to all of my hives and I've never had any trouble since. Literally a Halls is all it takes.

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2008, 10:18:04 PM »
Best stuff on the planet for waxmoth, get you some quick, but condensing the hive and keeping them strong may hold you over til you get some Certan.

http://www.beeworks.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18


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Another option is Xentari,which is much cheaper and possibly available locally
http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,13208.0.html
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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2008, 10:35:13 PM »
Annette, when colonies get that big this time of yr they usually throw off some swarms and unless you are right on top of things, you will have some extra space in there as a result, in the future, try and remove some of those boxes a little sooner.

Best stuff on the planet for waxmoth, get you some quick, but condensing the hive and keeping them strong may hold you over til you get some Certan.

http://www.beeworks.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18


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I know they did not swarm because I still have my marked queen from last year (yellow dot). I saw her 2 weeks ago and there has not been any queen cells in this hive. Now this Certan is to save the wax combs before I store them or to place in the hive??? Guess I should check out the link and then I will know how  to use this product.

I believe the population just went down because the queen stopped laying much due to the horrible drought we are having and those horrendous temperatures the past few weeks. And probably the smoke filled air.

Thanks for the help
Annette

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2008, 10:38:11 PM »
Annette, when colonies get that big this time of yr they usually throw off some swarms and unless you are right on top of things, you will have some extra space in there as a result, in the future, try and remove some of those boxes a little sooner.

Best stuff on the planet for waxmoth, get you some quick, but condensing the hive and keeping them strong may hold you over til you get some Certan.

http://www.beeworks.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18


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I know they did not swarm because I still have my marked queen from last year (yellow dot). I saw her 2 weeks ago and there has not been any queen cells in this hive. Now this Certan is to save the wax combs before I store them or to place in the hive??? Guess I should check out the link and then I will know how  to use this product.

I believe the population just went down because the queen stopped laying much due to the horrible drought we are having and those horrendous temperatures the past few weeks. And probably the smoke filled air.

Thanks for the help
Annette

Annette, you can use the certan on an active colony.


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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2008, 10:40:26 PM »
Best stuff on the planet for waxmoth, get you some quick, but condensing the hive and keeping them strong may hold you over til you get some Certan.

http://www.beeworks.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18


...JP

Another option is Xentari,which is much cheaper and possibly available locally
http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,13208.0.html

Ok I am understanding that this is to prevent the wax combs from being destroyed while storing. But it is not to use in the hive with the bees!! I will order some just so I can store all those combs I now have due to removing all those supers.

But in the case of my bees, just crowding them and reducing the entrance sounds good to you all??????

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2008, 10:42:25 PM »
Try dropping in a mentholated cough drop. It's what I do in the fall to all of my hives and I've never had any trouble since. Literally a Halls is all it takes.

Where do you drop it??

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2008, 10:46:42 PM »
Best stuff on the planet for waxmoth, get you some quick, but condensing the hive and keeping them strong may hold you over til you get some Certan.

http://www.beeworks.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18


...JP

Another option is Xentari,which is much cheaper and possibly available locally
http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,13208.0.html

Ok I am understanding that this is to prevent the wax combs from being destroyed while storing. But it is not to use in the hive with the bees!! I will order some just so I can store all those combs I now have due to removing all those supers.

But in the case of my bees, just crowding them and reducing the entrance sounds good to you all??????

You can use it now on the active hive or on frames you will store.


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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2008, 10:51:01 PM »
It did not say this in the advertising. How do you use this product in the hive????

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2008, 10:57:55 PM »
It did not say this in the advertising. How do you use this product in the hive????

You mix it 19 parts water to one part Certan in a spray bottle and I pmed you also.


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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 11:40:25 PM »
Get some BT and use it on the combs.
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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 11:48:43 PM »
Get some BT and use it on the combs.

OK once again, what is BT?  Is this something different from Certan?

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2008, 11:57:02 PM »
Get some BT and use it on the combs.

OK once again, what is BT?  Is this something different from Certan?

Certan is a form of BT its all bacterial, try the link Rob sent you if its cheaper and quicker, I got mine from Canada, but its been like 3 yrs since I ordered it. A little goes a long way.


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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 12:06:25 AM »
Try dropping in a mentholated cough drop. It's what I do in the fall to all of my hives and I've never had any trouble since. Literally a Halls is all it takes.

Where do you drop it??

I usually flick one in the entrance and place one up top under the lid, if you're using a telescoping lid. I've never used it on a hive already infected with them though so I don't know if it will do anything to the burrowing larva. But the adult forms should vacate immediately.

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2008, 12:44:45 AM »
Try dropping in a mentholated cough drop. It's what I do in the fall to all of my hives and I've never had any trouble since. Literally a Halls is all it takes.

Where do you drop it??

I usually flick one in the entrance and place one up top under the lid, if you're using a telescoping lid. I've never used it on a hive already infected with them though so I don't know if it will do anything to the burrowing larva. But the adult forms should vacate immediately.

Thanks for the info

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2008, 12:47:50 AM »
Get some BT and use it on the combs.

OK once again, what is BT?  Is this something different from Certan?

Certan is a form of BT its all bacterial, try the link Rob sent you if its cheaper and quicker, I got mine from Canada, but its been like 3 yrs since I ordered it. A little goes a long way.


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I just printed out all the information and will try and order tomorrow, plus call around to see what I can do faster. Thanks

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Re: Help please!! More wax moth trouble!!!
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2008, 10:02:45 AM »
On Beesource, one of our members sells it cheap. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 10:20:35 AM »
On Beesource, one of our members sells it cheap. 

Can you hook a brother or sister up Ross?


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