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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2008, 01:37:51 PM »

Oh crap!  I feel like I just walked into a hive of AHB (africanized honey beeKEEPERS!!!)

Peace!  It isn't worth doing 15-20 years over some bee hives.  Don't let dinks like that drag you down to their level!!!

It is probably best that you moved them for now.  Since you passified them temporarily, now you need to research and double check the laws and ordinances and make sure that that is all on your side.  If you've got a good reason to believe so, then I'd put some empty hives outside to see how they react. 
(Maybe stock them with hornets grin)  Then move the bees back.



I dont have the toys hanging around cause of jerk neighbors.  I just dont trust people in general and would rather not become a victim........

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2008, 02:21:12 PM »

fortunately, i am not encumbered by the delusional belief that all life is sacred.  apparently, neither is poka-bee.  sounds like the rise of the killer women.   evil

I actually do believe that all life is sacred, and I don't find the belief encumbering in the least.  To understand that all Life is sacred is to also understand that Death is also part of Life.  I can make choices about how I want to deal with the Life and Death aspects of my existence by making responsible choices that let me walk lightly upon the earth and not make a titanic mess in my wake.  Supporting local agriculture through my purchases, knowing where my food comes from, knowing how my meat is raised and slaughtered, and keeping bees are all things I do to support that sacredness.

In short, I think that most of this 'all life is sacred' stuff is a knee jerk reaction by people who don't get it.  Wink

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it is funny how different neighbors can be.  granted, i don't have anyone really close, but those within the range of my bees are very happy to have them.  they have noted an increase in everything from their berries, to their squash.  they do know where their food comes from!

The Honeybee is the WV state insect.  Not many people complain, and the ones who do are generally thought to be idjits.  Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2008, 03:27:53 PM »

I think they are crazy.  I keep my bees over at a community garden down the street.  There are 11 haves that are very active.  There are about 70 garden plots right in front of them and around them.  I have heard of 1 person getting stung (a beekeeper).  Most people don't even know what a honeybee looks like!!
I agree, keep the boxes there...  Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2008, 03:30:02 PM »

I'm quite fortunate, I guess...both my neighbors are totally cool with the bees. One could care less; when I told him that I had them, he shrugged his shoulders, as if to say, "So why tell me?" The neighbors on the other side saw the bees and asked if I was "making honey" and thought it was really cool. They'll both get a golden reward at harvest time. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2008, 03:58:08 PM »

i'm afraid that if i found someone actually throwing gas on something on my property, they'd be dead.


I adore the way you think.  Even though I live in the city, I have a few strategically placed weapons thru out my house.  1 of which is an AR15 with a couple handy 30 round mags.


Hey - another beek with an AR15!  cool What's your alias on arfcom?  evil  Wink
Here's one of mine ~>


it is funny how different neighbors can be.  granted, i don't have anyone really close, but those within the range of my bees are very happy to have them.  they have noted an increase in everything from their berries, to their squash.  they do know where their food comes from!


I was thinking the same thing - I think every pollination-required, fruit-bearing plant in my general area is going to have a marked increase in yields.  grin

I don't have anything relevant to add to the topic.  I'm glad I've a fenced property though, locked gates... no uninvited guests.



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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2008, 04:18:27 PM »

Hey - another beek with an AR15!  cool What's your alias on arfcom?  evil  Wink
Here's one of mine ~>




Nice weapon.  Mine is a standard service weapon (match grade) as I picked it up during the time of my life where I was shooting in the Marine Corps matches.  I needed a good practice weapon along with my plans to continue matches.  Those plans change but I still have a slew of hand loaded rounds for it. cool

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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2008, 04:19:22 PM »

My neighbors will get what they deserve in time.  I can hardly wait till they have a stinging pest they cant deal with. lol............
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2008, 04:23:06 PM »

sometimes living in the SR of O (socialist republic of oregon) is fortunate.  we are the population flood basin for the the bay area of california.  when the flood receded, puddles of tree huggin, veggie chomping, animal stroking, wing nuts, were left behind.  if i killed in defense of my bees, i would be supported by these vocal puddle people.  the exception would be if i accidentally blew apart one of those flipping purple flowers with a stray shot.  in that case, my execution would take place while the debate over the relative importance of the flower over the bee raged on.

dane, you surprise me.  
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2008, 04:57:57 PM »

1-You should not have removed the bees from your yard! If there are no city ordenance regarding bees then your neighbors can't do crap unless they go to their councelman/woman who can propose a legislation against keeping bees!  

I would guess that existing hives would be grandfathered out of any new legislation.  Had a similar situation with chickens in my backyard garden.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2008, 05:12:50 PM »

More and more people are becoming " Politically Correct " and " NIMBY " ( Not In My Back Yard )  angry
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2008, 05:18:34 PM »

State law in GA forbids from any city or municipality from making laws regarding the ownership or placement of hives.  I recommend checking into any and all laws that might pertain to you and then go from there.

Most of my neighbors know that I am a beekeeper.  I don't advertise it, but I don't hide it either.  Those that know will get honey this year. 

My question is, how long did you have your hives there.  I've had my for a year and no complaints.  If they start complaining now, I'll be curious as to why not sooner.  I'm a fairly tolerant neighbor and expect the same. 

I love the idea of keeping empty hives there just to see how/what they can do.  See how far they can go, and when/if they realize their efforts are futile, put the girls back.  OH... and send her a bill for the honey.

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2008, 07:17:30 PM »

 ""and send her a bill for the honey.""

Awsome idea...Man I feel his pain.... I have a 9 mm carbine with a red dot scope (No pistole grip as of the anti gun people who run our Garden state...lol). I can hit a dime 400 yeards several times with no problems afro! I feel his pain!

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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2008, 08:34:17 PM »

Flat roof tops make a good spot for urban stealth hives if that is an option for you.   

It will make it much harder for your neighbor to damage too.   


   

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2008, 08:58:14 PM »

Are you sure they know what a honeybee looks like?  I once had a neighbor who told me my bees were all over his backyard.  I went and looked and they were all yellow jackets.  City folk (in general) are not very smart when it comes to nature.
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2008, 09:22:59 PM »

Hey,

Maybe it has nothing to do w/bees but maybe flipped out because his wife was going on about how nice you were and giving her honey winding him up and he is one of those all too common insanely jealous sorts??

Or not    lol

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2008, 09:40:08 PM »

Just a few comments as a beekeeper and retired cop.
1. Verbalization of words to the affect someone is going to throw gas on your beehives is assualt.  Assault is threatening action that would inflict harm.  Property can be assaulted but is usually applied under reckless disregard.  Verbalizations that can harm people or animals is acutal assualt.  I would register a complaint with the local cops IMMEDIATELY to document the threat.  It may come in handy later.
2. Grandfatherizations are good for as long as a current owner has the property in non-agricultural areas.  In previously agriculturally zoned areas it is good as long as livestock is maintained on the property--even though the property may change hands.
3. Most areas do not have ordinanaces against beekeeping and those that do must be specific as to under what conditions they can be maintained.  If you meet the conditions you can keep you bees.
4. Bees, according to NAFTA, are plants not animals.  So ordinances concerning them must stipulate the specific genius being restricted--this means if the genius cited is Apis M. s., you can legally keep Apis M. c. or anyother genus as long as it isn't Apis M. s.
Since bees are plants, animal ordinances that does not specify genius is not applicable.
5. Having moved you hives can be seen as voluntary abandonment of protections under constitutional, federal, state, county, township, or municipal laws and ordinances.

I would advise replacing at least one hive on your property ASAP.

The above is not legal advice but my own interreptation of regulations--disclaimer.
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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2008, 08:37:31 AM »

I appreciate everyones input.  As far as I am concerned this is far from being over.  This is my course of action:

1. Place empties on both sides in back and 1 our front of my house. 

2. Attend the next town meeting and recommend a new ordinance stating that no more than 5 colonies of honey bees can be placed on any one city lot.

Brian I did take a bunch of pictures of both neighbors who complained about the bees.  5 minutes after they complained they were both on their decks enjoying the day without harrassment from the honey bees.  I needed to document their probable cause of harrassment, or in this case the lack of harrassment.  As previously stated this is far from over, I just need calm the idiots next door down for a little bit.

Oh and yes, the local citidiots (city idiots) can't tell the difference between a fly and a honeybee so anything flying and bothering them must be coming from my back yard.  Freakin morons.....
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2008, 10:08:32 AM »

BMAC, please keep us informed going forward, just in case anyone else experiences this problem.  It might give us some ideas of how to approach a similar situation.  I sometimes worry about my neighbors complaining...not that it would do them much good...I'm pretty stubborn.

Best of luck to you and your hives,
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2008, 11:13:35 AM »

What exactly is their problem with the bees?
Perhaps they are confusing hornets with honeybees...  DOn't they know the benefit of having honeybees around?

I think they need some education.  Invite them over for a look thru a hive and show them they are no threat--and actually benefit.

Some people are just stupid is all.

If they are threatening you, or to do damage to your property, then I would talk to the police yourself!  You could probably press charges.

Give them the opportunity to LEARN about it first.  Any of them have kids?  Kids are always interested...

All my neighbors know I keep bees and they're always interested and respectful.
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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2008, 11:22:05 AM »

Hi

  Want to know why this is happening read my post called verminators. They are adding to the hyteria that all bees are all killer bees. If we all took the time to write to our city councils, select board or what ever govt we have they would not be so quick to pass laws and ordanances. If this continues beekeeping will bee a thing of the past.
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