I'm sorry I missed this thread. Obviously w/o their best defensman, they cant keep the big guns at bay. Detroit looked real good in their games. Yes hatcher is too slow, particularly for a first liner as a result of injuries. Hit between the eyes. Couldn't believe it. I have Hi-def TV at was amazing to see the explosion of blood and stuff in slow mo. Very surprised flyers have had as good a season as they did. In the long run, penguins will be a better team for having lost last nite.