What i was getting at was with the plain wax foundation, you use wire for support. Mine didn't give much support, at all. Last year was my first year and I did not know much about anything. Kind of figured it out as I went. When doing and inspection, last year, I had a section of foundation fall out of the frame. Not a pleasant experiance. I like Pierco products, don't get me wrong, but the cost is high starting out. I can save a few dollars with Duragilt and wood frames. I hate to cut corners there but you got to do it where you can. It looks like Duragilt will offer the same strength as Pierco and easy to install. Plus,I won't have to coat the foundation with wax. Another expence that I won't have. Next year, I will have some wax to use, I hope. Anything that I could have harvested was used to support my weaker colonies through the winter. Dadant cut us a little deal, with all the we bought from them, this Spring so there was not much difference in the price versus plain foundation. We will give it a try and hope for the best. Thanks again for the replies and lets hope for a good season.