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« on: March 19, 2008, 10:33:45 AM »

http://www.local6.com/news/15639652/detail.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 06:09:33 PM »

i saw that.  how will they know that the bees are "killer bees"?  will they test them first?
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 09:48:38 PM »

Good question!
I bet they'll just kill 'em all and use the excuse of "Killer Bees".
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 10:08:17 PM »

I was thinking more along these lines.
    * Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

But I could be misinterpreting that I guess.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 11:28:44 PM »

i think you are correct.  i would guess that they'd get around that by the local laws and prior complaints. i'm guessing that if you didn't respond to the complaints they would say that you were in violation of the law and the seizure was not unreasonable.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?

– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 10:02:33 AM »

Many of our constitutional protections can be trumped by "health, safety and welfare" conscerns. Secondly, constituional protections only work if you exercise them. Someone will have to get charged first, and than attack the staute.  Additionally, if there is no "punitive" component, their is no "seizure". What is more interesting is when they find someones marijuana field and seize it w/o warrant. The smart officer will leave and get a warrant. That way the seizure is w/ warrant, while the search placed him on persons property lawfully(pursuant to ordinance) and would probably be upheld as w/in plain view.
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