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« on: March 19, 2008, 09:54:45 AM »

I decided I would start this topic here to get the ball rolling, anyway, I still think general gets the most exposure on topics. I will post about the 15yr old colony I will be removing in about an hour, later on, so when I do, I will place it in Honeybee Removal Section, as the powers that be want these posts going there. Anyway, ya'll have a great day and will see you later in Honeybee Removal.

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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 10:13:47 AM »

I always go to "show unread posts" when I first go on the forum, so I always see what has been posted in any forum right away.  Best of this beautiful day, good luck with the cutout.  Cindi
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 11:17:43 AM »

Cindi, that's what I do too!  I can't wait to read about JP's newest adventure..wish we had more bees...I've never seen a swarm!  Jody
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 12:19:08 PM »

That is where I always go at first. "Show unread posts since last visit." So this shows everything from every post. Like I said before JP. We will find you and hunt you down whereever you may be. You cannot hide from us.

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 01:15:06 PM »

I think JP's post is kind of like reading a adventure book and at the end of the post you put the book down think about what is in the next chapter. I think most people, well the regulars, go through all the areas that are highlighted orange. I keep them read and mark as read at the bottom when Im done.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 02:41:34 PM »

I still think general gets the most exposure on topics.

So what's the answer?  One big free-for-all forum with no type of organization?  I can see many people getting frustrated sorting thru the crap and not coming back....  so much for exposure then Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2008, 03:12:29 PM »

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"Announcing" in GENERAL that you're gonna have a post in REMOVAL is just as bad and and maybe worse than not posting in the proper forum in the first place. What you are doing is TURNING ON LIGHT BULBS in the heads of OTHER MEMBERS who will do the same thing, creating TWO post for the sake of one - please don't do this. I think the Mods you talk to every night are busy enough as it is, they don't need to be chasing "sneak-peek trailer posts" around the forums too!

Besides, if someone doesn't want to read a removal story, it doesn't matter WHERE you post it, they aren't going to read it, and if they do have interest, then nothing will stop them from finding it! Please JP - don't do this again, you are just opening a can of worms and putting wrong ideas into people's heads.
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2008, 04:32:54 PM »

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, although the powers that bee don't acknowledge it.  I have no idea why Rapid Beeyard Growth is separated from General.  It's all general.  The Removal forum as a sub of General is a good idea, however, I do understand JP's frustration, I don't like all of the divisions, either.  As for checking unread posts when I come here, I don't - I don't generally read all of the forums unless I really am looking for something specific.  I start at the top and browse through all of the administration stuff, the
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2008, 11:33:16 PM »

I still think general gets the most exposure on topics.

So what's the answer?  One big free-for-all forum with no type of organization?  I can see many people getting frustrated sorting thru the crap and not coming back....  so much for exposure then Wink

Ok, sorry Rob, I guess I stirred the pot the wrong way. You know my main beef. Its that the removal section at least on my computer, not Ken's, takes a while to load, its just aggravating. And I even have fast cable connection.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2008, 11:36:51 PM »

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"Announcing" in GENERAL that you're gonna have a post in REMOVAL is just as bad and and maybe worse than not posting in the proper forum in the first place. What you are doing is TURNING ON LIGHT BULBS in the heads of OTHER MEMBERS who will do the same thing, creating TWO post for the sake of one - please don't do this. I think the Mods you talk to every night are busy enough as it is, they don't need to be chasing "sneak-peek trailer posts" around the forums too!

Besides, if someone doesn't want to read a removal story, it doesn't matter WHERE you post it, they aren't going to read it, and if they do have interest, then nothing will stop them from finding it! Please JP - don't do this again, you are just opening a can of worms and putting wrong ideas into people's heads.

Hey John, did anybody ever tell you how sexy you are when you're angry?
Ok, I knew I would get flack for making this post and shouldn't have posted it in the first place. I'll take my medicine and my lashings. Hey everyone, don't do what I did, my bad, my bad.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 11:48:32 PM »

I always look at all of the subsections of the forum that I'm interested in.  I hardly ever look in the ones I'm uninterested in.  Multiple posts, under different topics, is just creating a bottle neck, is redundant, unneccessary, and a waste of time, IMO.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 08:11:03 AM »

You know my main beef. Its that the removal section at least on my computer, not Ken's, takes a while to load, its just aggravating. And I even have fast cable connection.

JP,

Hate to say it, but it is something up with your system.   The exact same code runs for all the forum sections (general, removal, coffee house, etc.)  and they all get the data from the same database.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 08:51:00 AM »

That's not true, Robo, no other subforum has a map to draw every time you go to it.  It's slow on my computer too, a cable modem connection.  It's not horrible, just annoying.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2008, 09:00:36 AM »

You know my main beef. Its that the removal section at least on my computer, not Ken's, takes a while to load, its just aggravating. And I even have fast cable connection.

JP,

Hate to say it, but it is something up with your system.   The exact same code runs for all the forum sections (general, removal, coffee house, etc.)  and they all get the data from the same database.

Rob, I installed a new cable modum, latest version, and did a defrag before that, and my computer has never run faster. But...still loads slow in the removal section. Ann and Dallas report the same thing. Ken doesn't have this issue, perhaps he's running a mac. One day I think I'll get a mac and be done with Bill Gates.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 09:56:45 AM »

Removal sub also loads slower for me. It takes longer for the map to pop up. Not super slow the sub still loads slower than others. I also am runninmg on cable.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2008, 10:52:08 AM »

Hi All:

Man, I have a lot to say now..... I'll address each poster as it comes up here.

JP Who ever said I was angry, that isn't the case and you been around plenty long enough to know when I am angry - the fact you find me SEXY when I am though is a bit creepy, but to each his own  rolleyes

I'll be asking Robo to place a hypertext link leading to the swarm removal map in the removal forum, so that the page will load as fast as all others - if that doesn't satisfy those posting in Removal, I give up. I'm trying to work with everyone here and then you choose to post the "Don't look at this post" which is a clever title, but also was unnecessary of you to do. Your dry humor JP is taken as sarcasm, I have the same trouble often (to know me is to understand I have an EDGE about my speech that often is misinterpreted) you too have that edge, I've heard it in Voice Chat and accept it is your style. But don't rebel in a half hearted attempt to make the removal forum a Shangrala, it is only another forum - I know it is your lively hood (or a good chunk of it) but it is just another forum among many here, nothing personal.

But frankly, here is the point you all seem to be missing. If you post a removal post in General and it isn't replied to on any given afternoon, it will make it quickly to page to of General and MOST LIKELY never be seen or posted to again - is THAT what you want? Posts are coming in quickly and any post that don't make a sustained reply quickly disappear to later pages and into the void of the forum. By placing Removals in the Removal Forum, it has a much greater life expectancy, whether you believe that or not, it is true.

Reinbeau - rarely we disagree, I think of you a one of the wisest people in the forums, but NOT EVERYTHING is all General. If you want coffee House topics or Jokes in General, think of the chaos it would create. Even if JUST beekeeping topics all fell in General, it would be a mess to follow eventually.

Imagine the old library card system and imagine there being only one drawer to search from - that is the chaos it would create.

So, let's see if that map can be placed somewhere else, so the page loads quickly. I really thought that removals placed in the same forum (literally at the top as a headliner) would make removal people happy - sometimes in life though, the best intentions are poorly accepted: it goes back to the TQM motto "People don't mind change, they mind being changed" but we need order as we grow and the sooner the better.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2008, 03:28:11 PM »

Thank you, John, sincerely, but I wasn't talking about the coffee house stuff, I'm talking about two specific forums, the General and the Rapid Beeyard Growth.  I don't see the difference.  I went over every subforum before I posted and only these two are totally redundant to my mind, but that's only my thoughts, I don't run the forum.  Of course the Coffee House needs to be separated, but then there's the joke forum, etc. down there - I rarely venture in there at all. 


While I've got your attention, what about things like wax processing, candle making, creamed honey, etc.  There is no forum for Products of the Hive, so to speak.  That's a bugger to find info out about here, there are too many variations to go through to get good info.  If there were a subforum for that, you wouldn't hear me complaining  Wink

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2008, 04:36:18 PM »

Quote from the Beemaster:  I'm trying to work with everyone here and then you choose to post the "Don't look at this post" which is a clever title, but also was unnecessary of you to do. Your dry humor JP is taken as sarcasm, I have the same trouble often (to know me is to understand I have an EDGE about my speech that often is misinterpreted) you too have that edge, I've heard it in Voice Chat and accept it is your style. But don't rebel in a half hearted attempt to make the removal forum a Shangrala, it is only another forum - I know it is your lively hood (or a good chunk of it) but it is just another forum among many here, nothing personal.

My response: John, I only titled the post that way to capture people's interest. No foul of any kind or sarcasm was intended in the very least. I am not one to harbor ill feelings, that is just a waste of time. Its just a coincidence that my post in the removal section followed the other post I made that stirred the pot. I had so moved past that, and to assume that I linked the two together was just a miscalculation on your part, albeit, unknowingly, no offense John. I was joking about the "you're sexy when you're mad thing", that gives you that creepy feeling. Lighten up John, I'm not the only one that thinks you're sexy when you're mad trust me, the entire forum thinks so, don't ya'll?  Kiss grin evil Wink Smiley

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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2008, 05:15:58 PM »

I'll be asking Robo to place a hypertext link leading to the swarm removal map in the removal forum, so that the page will load as fast as all others - if that doesn't satisfy those posting in Removal, I give up.

I will work on revamping the removal forum so that the map is a separate page similar to the donations page.  However,  my focus right now is migrating the forums to a new hosting provider (zunibee's company).   I am taking the same diligent approach and pre-testing that I did when we switched forum packages in November of 2006.  I want this transition to be as seamless as possible to the users, if not totally transparent.   I'm sure you guys don't want the forum to be offline for a week now do you?  Where would you get your daily beekeeping fix Smiley   

So the revamping of the removal forum will have to wait until the transition is complete.  So please be patient and just remember living with a slow page for a bit beats having the forum down.  So no more whining JP Cry

I'll be keeping everyone posted as we get closer to transition day.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2008, 06:25:01 PM »

With Firefox,it takes about three and a half seconds to load the page with the map.I have cable internet access.I can wait 3 or 4 seconds without any problems.
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2008, 06:32:33 PM »

   ....Uh huh..... Smiley
 What caught my interest here is where Shawn mentioned something about "Highlighted in Orange".This sounds interesting and I dont remember seeing anything like that..Do you think i have something disabled?
 Also, I read just about EVERY post!..Never can tell what you might find! And, like others here, (Thanks to Cindi helping me on this) I first go to "New Replies to my posts" then to "New posts since last visit".
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I was interested in that also. Highlighted in Orange" What does he mean about that. Where is that located???

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2008, 07:22:06 PM »

Highlighted in Orange" What does he mean about that.



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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2008, 08:19:29 PM »

Ohhhhhhhh....
I never even noticed that before!
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2008, 10:23:20 PM »

Hey Rob, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Wahhhhhhhhhh!  Wink

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Ya I have firefox also and I have high speed internet and the removal section takes a while to load for me as well. That was another reason why I had always just posted it in the general section. As when the removal section was all the way at the top and not linked like it is now in he general section (which I like please dont change it just make the map load faster or something) I allways forgot it was there. And if it was not for Jps posts and other removal posts in the general section I would have never learned to do a cut out by looking at all of yours pictures. As the removal section was always hidden to me in no mans land at the top of the page. At first I thought it was just for advertising as it asked if you needed a removal. That is why I had posted to general and with others posting there I thought it was the norm.

I thank you for this forum and thank you again for moving the removal section to the general section at the top to better have access to it. As that spot gets the most posts and traffic and if it stays there it will get read more. My 2c worth. But then again my 2c usually dont amount to a hill of beans.  If the removal section stays where it is at with the thing in general for clicking on and the map is made to load faster or be a link to click on if we want to go to it then that would be so much better and so much faster. As it is a busy time of year for me in so many different ways. I have poultry hatching and breeding season. And now cut out calls and going to [ick up brood and bees. And getting my equipment put togather in time. I feel like a chickens with its head cut off. Oh ya and dont forget my CSA and the egg sales and hatching eggs sales. And planting for this summer crops. Just got done with 10 blueberries. And man I am tired. Making things simple and easy to use and see makes my life so much easier. As doing what I do and living with chronic pain is not a cake walk to say the least. I am usually on he cp after taking a muscle relaxer and 2 pain pills just to be able to sit.


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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2008, 12:42:15 AM »

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we all aim to please here, to do otherwise goes against common sense. Everything though is truly trial and error, but the good news is the errors are few and when they happen we always learn from them.

About the "Commercial" aspect, you will NOT see a day when we have commercials here, that is a promise, so don't be reluctant to ever click on anything in the forums or my Beemaster.com site (sometimes I wonder how many forum members have ever actually made it to my web site - I like to think it is informative and entertaining, I sure have a lot of writing and images there. Now with Youtube and a dozen or so videos, I think I've got a good deal of info going, hope it all is enlightening to visitors Smiley

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2008, 06:50:16 AM »

While we are all whining about load times and such,  I would also like to complain about how long your photo album takes to load JP.  Although I truly enjoy seeing your pictures I find it does take extremely long for the pictures to load, especially for their relatively smaller size.  Is this just me?  Or do others find it slow too? Cry
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While we are all whining about load times and such,  I would also like to complain about how long your photo album takes to load JP.  Although I truly enjoy seeing your pictures I find it does take extremely long for the pictures to load, especially for their relatively smaller size.  Is this just me?  Or do others find it slow too? Cry
I don't find his to load that slowly if I click on his link, but if a photo is embedded it takes a bit.  The worst of that, though, is Imageshack.  Sometimes the photo won't load at all if it's embedded in a post, and I can't view it without getting the URL of the photo, copying and pasting it into a new tab, and going to it direct.
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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2008, 08:33:40 AM »

Lets see, we have whining and photo issues. I will handle both right now.




Thank you to fark for the photo.

Buried somewhere in this discussion is the crumbs of what may be the fine tunning of good ideas and intentions.

The map for removal is a good idea. For those who exist on dial up or have DSL and a windoze computer with a bunch of items tunning in the system tray stealing resources. The map can take a bit of time to load. Maybe a whole 10 seconds maybe even gasp longer. However people want instant gratification.

However we have to be considerate of others, right?  Okay it's hard for me to say that with a straight face, but it's due to my course nature. However in this case there is some merit.

The map is a good idea. The topic divisions are a good idea so are the child boards. Although they may need some tweaking that is an ongoing process. A few years back there never would have been a CCD section.

The orange triangle for the link to the map is a great idea and helps people who need bees removed get in contact with someone. However they probably have little interest in the stories of bee removal. When someone wants bees removed they usually want to get in contact with someone quickly. Not read the stories about removal no matter how entertaining and informative they are. They just want bees gone. So I view the removal map as a public service.

Does it matter to me that it is in the removal section, no. But I am just one person. If the map were placed in a different child board of it's own would it matter. No not really. For those who want to share their experiences they don't need the map. They might know where they live.

Now the mods are volunteers and not even a lousy tax write off. So there will be no abusing the mods (even when they move topics), because torturing the mods is my job.  evil

Wait till I start that p0rn thread.

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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2008, 08:58:40 AM »


The orange triangle for the link to the map is a great idea and helps people who need bees removed get in contact with someone. However they probably have little interest in the stories of bee removal. When someone wants bees removed they usually want to get in contact with someone quickly. Not read the stories about removal no matter how entertaining and informative they are. They just want bees gone. So I view the removal map as a public service.



BINGO!   Your on the same page as me.   I'm thinking on putting the map on it's own page/tab like the donations page.  The orange triangle will link to that page.  The removal forum will be for removal stories and have a simple link to the map in case those in hysterics about getting bees removed end up in the removal forum.  Perhaps even make the removal a full fledge forum and not a child. We will see.
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2008, 12:50:44 PM »

I heard no whining or abuse, just discussion.

Thank you, Robo, for your work on this.  I'm sure you'll come up with a plan that works for everyone.
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2008, 01:37:50 PM »

I heard no whining or abuse, just discussion.

Thank you, Robo, for your work on this.  I'm sure you'll come up with a plan that works for everyone.

No pressure there Robo. Smiley
All you have to do is make everyone happy.

For we are short of patience and quick to express our displeasure. Smiley
Are you done yet?

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2008, 02:18:13 PM »

I'd appreciate it, Brendhan, if you would stop interpreting my words.  I didn't mean any whining, nor do I expect anyone to 'make me happy'.  You are adding nothing to the discussion other than stirring a pot that has long been taken off the stove.
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2008, 07:47:21 PM »

I'd appreciate it, Brendhan, if you would stop interpreting my words.  I didn't mean any whining, nor do I expect anyone to 'make me happy'.  You are adding nothing to the discussion other than stirring a pot that has long been taken off the stove.

This is what happens when you feel everything is directed at you. Guess what it's not.
And you missed all the sarcasm which was in the comments and who made comments in the thread.

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While we are all whining about load times and such,  I would also like to complain about how long your photo album takes to load JP.  Although I truly enjoy seeing your pictures I find it does take extremely long for the pictures to load, especially for their relatively smaller size.  Is this just me?  Or do others find it slow too?

That was a comment made by Robo, this morning. It had nothing to do with you. But you picked up on it. And replied to Robo's comment. I also replied to Robo's comment.
The word whining was used. I had some fun with it. I embedded a photo in the thread, a small but a photo none the less it would take an additional couple of seconds to load possibly. I am sure Robo caught the humor in it. That is who it was directed at. Not you.

However I also plugged in my opinion in the matter.

You walked into the lion's den with good intention I am sure. However what you said came off a bit comical in my head. Robo has stated he working on migrating to a new server.  A process I just got done doing for my server. I also do it for work so it can be very involved. That with all the "discussion" on the removal map, the general board exposure, and the removal child board and the intention of both Jon and Robo to try to work out this issue plus moderating the regular needs of this forum, I am sure it not without a bit of pressure or stress.

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Thank you, Robo, for your work on this.  I'm sure you'll come up with a plan that works for everyone.

while not intentional came off with a bit of chutzpa. And I saw it as humorous. That is why in my reply I added the smiley icons. It wasn't a dig at your person just something you said that had unintended additional meaning to those of us in similar situations.

So relax, have a frozen margarita, and worry not. I am sure Robo has it all under control.

Hey Robo you done yet? You done yet? You done yet?  (touch o sarcasm there) Wink <-- icon used to indicate sarcasm. Smiley  <-- icon used to indicate humor

If the worst thing in this place is the discussion of a map and proper placement of posts we are doing pretty good.

We can always let the spam posters return. Wink

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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2008, 08:03:00 PM »

I heard no whining or abuse, just discussion.

Thank you, Robo, for your work on this.  I'm sure you'll come up with a plan that works for everyone.

No pressure there Robo. Smiley
All you have to do is make everyone happy.

For we are short of patience and quick to express our displeasure. Smiley
Are you done yet?

Sincerely,
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This is what I responded to.  You quoted me, and you addressed my post.  Sorry if I thought 'everything was directed at me' (paraphrased).  No smileys need apply.  Now I'm done with this thread.  It should have been over four posts ago.
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« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2008, 12:53:36 PM »

yup.  putting the map where it would be easy for non-bee people to find, would be great.  i have sent a couple of people to it for removals that i could not do, but i had to give them the exact link.  it seems to be a little hard for people not familiar with the forums, to find.

i think you mods do a great job.  you have saved me from myself more than once smiley.  there is no cure for over sensitive people, but you manage to handle it all well.
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« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2008, 02:56:16 PM »

Kathy:


I've described finding the removal map a few times like this.

Go to Beemaster.com, click the big forum link on the right top of the screen and then the triangular link on the forum page also in the upper right corner. I can add a SWARM REMOVAL link on my home page and then you only need say go to beemaster.com and click the swarm removal link, I think that might make it easier  rolleyes Guess I could have saved you some navagation by doing that. I'll have it on there today!

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« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2008, 03:19:56 PM »

aren't we a fun bunch?   evil

that will make it easier and might lead more people to the page even without our help!

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