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« on: February 29, 2008, 03:03:41 PM »

I haven't seen anything like this design before. Looks like a real departure

New Hive design

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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 03:07:32 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 03:27:58 PM »

SPAM???

I don't understand as I just tried the link from this post and it opened directly into the article and plans.

I am using Firefox w/Adblock Plus pop-up blocker that is a Firefox extension and don't get anything other than intended target.

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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 03:29:05 PM »

Seems there is a lot of space where bees can go wild building comb. Too many components to mess with. And then it says "The architecture is the most similar to the one adopted by bees in the wild."
Doesn't look like a hollow tree or a wall or .....
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 03:39:33 PM »

Artists rendition of a nightmere hive , fogot the propolis!!!  shocked shocked  cheesy cheesy cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 03:44:10 PM »

Seems there is a lot of space where bees can go wild building comb. Too many components to mess with. And then it says "The architecture is the most similar to the one adopted by bees in the wild."
Doesn't look like a hollow tree or a wall or .....

yeah, looks like a burr comb factory to me.
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 03:49:14 PM »

Burr comb factory indeed, that was my first thought, also.

I think this is the same guy who was trying to sell his idea on rec.gardens, a newsgroup I frequent.  He insisted that the traditional Langstroth hives we use are boring and that he could come up with A Better Idea.  Yea  rolleyes
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 05:16:36 PM »

I'm very new to beekeeping and even I have doubts on this one.
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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 05:26:36 PM »

I'm very new to beekeeping and even I have doubts on this one.


If he wanted to make it more like feral hives he should use his modular frame idea and build it so all you have to do is build a square silo and add lengths to the frames as the hive develops, the probelm is trying to pull those enterlengthed frames out the top when they're more than 4 sqaures long.  Need a ladder for that.
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« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 05:40:37 PM »

Now what will the Bees be pollinating once they've landed on the moon?
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« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 06:27:55 PM »

I'd like to have one to see how some bees would actually perform within the colony. Usually bees will only build burr comb if they are not given enough room by the beekeeper or when there is too much space between the frames. I would like to know how big the hive really is. True it does not resemble the hollow of a tree, but bees make their homes in more places than just hollow trees. I sent the guy an email to see how much one of these would cost as I would like to have one. I would say that the price is what will kill the idea and keep the invention from being marketable to the masses. I also think it's nice to see someone thinking outside the box, or thinking inside the pyramid. A lot of famous inventors were ridiculed by their peers for there nonconformist ideas in the past. It seems that history is repeating itself here on this post. Creativity should be embraced not ridiculed.
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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 06:38:01 PM »

I don't think anyone would be ridiculing it except that it looks like a horrible hive design.  It looks to be built more to look complicated, neat and more expensive than practical and functional.  I don't know about you, but I'm more of a practical and functional guy myself.
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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 06:59:45 PM »

I'm not real keen either but I bet Langstroth had a few nay sayers too!!
Keep us posted on what you find out Cass!
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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 09:08:08 PM »

I liked the modular frames. They would be easy to turn horizontal and brace on top to make queen cells for the Hopkins method.

I may try to modify a frame for that purpose at some time. I won't need many queens, but I am intrigued by the Hopkins method.

Gotta get some good gentle queens from Don "Fat/Beeman first.

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« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 11:59:38 PM »

not to try and down the guy,but,he needs to look at that picture that jp and bailey had with the five gallon bucket stuck in the middle of what ever that was.i can see this thing possibly looking just like it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2008, 11:44:22 AM »

Did you see the little tiny StarGate at the center?
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2008, 03:47:03 PM »

"we can give them new life"

Because the old way was so bad??

My opinion is that is is a great design for a space station. And since they have a star gate already, half the transportation battle is already won.

Still I like some of the ideas but over all. it is way too complicated for me.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2008, 03:24:22 PM »

looks like something PETA will support
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2008, 03:36:17 PM »

Just looking at the design I expect someone to post a youtube video of old beehive designs, similar to scary looking air planes.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 04:34:18 PM »

The man who makes these hives finally got back with me. He said he is getting started to go into production and when the hives are available that he will contact me.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2008, 07:37:33 AM »

He said he is getting started to go into production and when the hives are available that he will contact me.
It doesn't sound like the inventor has actually tried his invention. No actual pictures of a proto-type hive with bees, no actual numbers, just vague sounding words about "new hive is supposed to produce more".  I also question the claim about "great stability."  With those two boxes attached to the sides, unless you can train your bees to keep the weight in them even, it will easily topple over.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2008, 09:24:03 AM »

It looks expensive.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2008, 10:58:04 AM »

Funny how responses have split into nay-ayers and open mindedness

curiouser and curiouser as alice would say

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2008, 01:03:54 PM »

You make nay-aying sound like such a bad thing!! rolleyes

Looks like proprietary hardware (I could be wrong).  I can make all part of a Langstroth with my table saw.
Too much open space, would encourage burr comb (as previously stated).
Probably going to be quite expensive compared to a Langstroth.
Hard to find parts (see proprietary hardware statement above).

There might be a small niche for it, but I don't think it will go too far.  The round moving hive was supposed to stop varroa, and I haven't seen that anywhere yet.

If it works and is cheap, then I'd consider it, but till then, I'm a skeptic.

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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2008, 04:57:19 PM »

Wow. Very complex. So, here we go...

General shape looks pretty lousy for balance. Easily tipped in wind or by roving critters who may bump it a little as they walk by. Ingenuity points: -1

Four approx 2/3 length egress points in center plus fully open bottom makes for a huge amount of area to be defended against wasps, beetles, mice, ants, robber-bees and so on (I.P. -1).

More defenders needed to patrol openings means fewer foragers (I.P. -1).

Wind able to blow entirely through hive via central 360 degree egresses will keep hive way cold requiring more effort to maintain temperature for brood rearing and honey curing (I.P. -1).

Too much open space encourages lots of burr comb building (I.P. -1).

Proprietary shape incompatible with current gadget designs such as pollen traps, propolis traps, feeders, etc. (I.P. -1)

Lots of access for returning foragers and 360 degree access (I.P. +1).

Modular frames a really neat idea. Borrow this idea for creating modular section-honey frame inserts, drone-comb zones, queen rearing, queen introductions, etc. (I.P. +1)

Overall Ingenuity Points: -4

Hmm... I think I will stick to an industry standard hive type (US: Lang, UK: National, etc.). However, I might fool around with the idea of removable sections for standard sized frames... THAT's a neat idea.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2008, 01:06:30 AM »

Funny how responses have split into nay-ayers and open mindedness

curiouser and curiouser as alice would say

cheers

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Looking at somethings weak points isn't being a nay-sayer, it's being objective,as Paraplegic Racehorse points out.  If I had wanted to be a nay-sayer I would have said that the design looks like it was created by somewone who wants to be a beekeeper before he had any bees.
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2008, 12:22:32 PM »

It would seem to me that the intentions are good and SOME thought went into it.  To me, it was done to make a quick buck.  Obviously field testing wasn't done otherwise the creator of this would see the faults in it...especially the fact that this thing could fall over if someone sneezed in the direction of this hive.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2008, 12:52:40 PM »

Overall looks like a management nightmare.

I love the fact that the only picture on the site with any bees at all are pollen laden bees walking into a hive on a standard wooden bottom board.

Has he even ever put bees in this design?
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2008, 12:56:14 PM »

It just looks like a very difficullt hive to work.

Could you imagine having to inspect a bunch of these things?

Maybe the design is better for the bees, but is it better for the beekeeper?

I think not.


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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2008, 01:32:20 PM »

Here is what you do. You put a hive body on a bottom board. You place frames in it with foundation. Then you place another hive body on top of that and put a lid on it. The bees will go up and start building in the very top where there isn't any frames or foundation. They will do the same thing in that "New Hive" thinggy.
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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2008, 02:29:20 PM »


I think the inventor/marketer should claim that this new design uses "pyramid power".

That alone ought to sell two or three of these monstrosities, er, hives.

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2008, 03:37:28 PM »

We use what we use because it is cost-effective and the bees do well.  Also because the beekeepers who came before us worked to find ever-better ways to get the job done.  TBH or lang, both are great bee filing cabinets.  If this idea works better still, it will be adopted.  If not it will go the way of the Danzenbaker hive.

I'm not worried about it toppling over in the wind.  I can't figure out how I would make one that doesn't weigh a metric ton when empty.  Unless the top pyramid is sectional I don't know how I would lift it.  Maybe if I put a hoist in the tree over the hive...

One way to test the design would be to put a square pyramid top (complete with propeller beanie) on your hive.  If the bees fill it with comb you'll have a pretty good idea what they would do with a larger implementation. 

I'm afraid I just don't see how it allows 15% more bees.  There is no way it offers more surface area for in-frame brood than a lang.
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2008, 05:15:08 PM »

If you buy this bee pyramid, The bees will sing, pray and worship you as GOD. grin evil
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2008, 08:00:14 PM »

The man who makes these hives finally got back with me. He said he is getting started to go into production and when the hives are available that he will contact me.

Maybe you could offer to do tests him to demonstrate the benefits of the hive if he will give you two to experiment with. Then run them side by side with your standard setup and see how they do. Then post the results of what you find on the forums. Wouldn't be scientific, but it might answer the burr comb and propolis questions.

We might all like to see how the spaceship flies.

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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2008, 10:13:36 PM »

Here is what you do. You put a hive body on a bottom board. You place frames in it with foundation. Then you place another hive body on top of that and put a lid on it. The bees will go up and start building in the very top where there isn't any frames or foundation. They will do the same thing in that "New Hive" thinggy.


EGG-actly.  Though the power of the pyramid might keep the honey from crystalizing at all.  LOL
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2008, 10:50:46 PM »

This is what happens when engineers design and don't have any real field experience.

I think encouraging new ideas is good even if the ideas are far from perfect.

I understand the idea of trying to mimic a natural hive.

Some ideas for improvement.

Change the Egypt style of pyramid to a Mayan style to cut down on the burr comb.

Make each level a hive body.

Dump the two side pieces.

Slight issues with creating proper ventilation.

Okay brain still working on this.

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2008, 09:45:00 AM »

Ok, I didn't notice this before, but why on EARTH is there a weather vain on this thing?  Is there an expectation that once the bees are hived in this thing, that bees will lose their weather forecasting ability?!?  Perhaps it is a wind powered creamed honey churn??  Does it generate it's own power for heat in the winter?  The possibilities are endless it seems!   evil
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2008, 07:36:11 PM »

Ok, I didn't notice this before, but why on EARTH is there a weather vain on this thing?  Is there an expectation that once the bees are hived in this thing, that bees will lose their weather forecasting ability?!?  Perhaps it is a wind powered creamed honey churn??  Does it generate it's own power for heat in the winter?  The possibilities are endless it seems!   evil

that's actually an anemometers, a device that measures wind speed. I noticed on a second look myself and wondered what it was there for.

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