Need Bees Removed?
International
Beekeeping Forums
September 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: ATTENTION ALL NEW MEMBERS
PLEASE READ THIS OR YOUR ACCOUNT MAY BE DELETED - CLICK HERE
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar bee removal Login Register Chat  

Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Extractors, More Bang for the Buck  (Read 11172 times)
DayValleyDahlias
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 1629


Location: Aptos, California


WWW
« on: January 30, 2008, 09:17:30 PM »

I have been reading all the many posts pertaining to extractors...I don't want to spend tons of $$...but I would like more bang for my buck...

Any suggestions on an extractor that can do the job with having to wait days for frames to clear...etc...can't crush and strain as I am pretty certain I will be using PF 120's...
Logged


<img src="[url]http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniWeather2_both_cond/language/www/US/CA/Aptos.gif
" border=0
alt="Click for Aptos, California Forecast" height=50 width=150>[/url]

"Become vegetarian/vegan, and no one gets hurt"
TwT
Senior Forum
Global Moderator
Galactic Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3384


Location: Walker, La.

Ted


« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 12:24:23 AM »

personally I like the kits that have everything I would need if I had only a few hives like this one from mannlakes  Extracting Bundle

or this kit Easy extracting combo unit and if you just want the extractor look through the pages on the site

if that is to much then look for something here on this ebay search
Logged

THAT's ME TO THE LEFT JUST 5 YEARS FROM NOW!!!!!!!!

Never be afraid to try something new.
Amateurs built the ark,
Professionals built the Titanic
Sean Kelly
Field Bee
***
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 903


Location: Buckley, Wa

I Pick; Therefore I Grin


WWW
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 04:52:46 AM »

I got the extractor that comes with that kit from mannlake.  The extractor by it's self is like $250.  All stainless.  Really nice and operates smooth.  Haven't had a chance to run it with frames yet.  It works as a radial extractor with 6 shallow frames.  Mediums and Deeps you'll have to flip them inbetween spins (tangical?) three at a time.

Theres also that plastic chinese extractor that Dadant sells for like $100.  I've heard some really good things about this one too but haven't had a chance to try it out myself.  I guess it only does two frames at a time.

Sean Kelly
Logged

"My son,  eat  thou honey,  because it is good;  and the honeycomb,  which is sweet  to thy taste"          - Proverbs 24:13
Michael Bush
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 13658


Location: Nehawka, NE


WWW
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 07:21:51 AM »

The one from Betterbee (that comes from Sveinty) that is a flat radial looks kind of nice to me.  it will store most anywhere:

http://www.betterbee.com/products.asp?dept=916
Logged

Michael Bush
My website:  bushfarms.com/bees.htm
My book:  ThePracticalBeekeeper.com
-------------------
"Everything works if you let it."--Rick Nielsen
Michael Bush
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 13658


Location: Nehawka, NE


WWW
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 07:23:07 AM »

http://www.swienty.com/?pid=1&id=108600
Logged

Michael Bush
My website:  bushfarms.com/bees.htm
My book:  ThePracticalBeekeeper.com
-------------------
"Everything works if you let it."--Rick Nielsen
bassman1977
"King Bee"
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1787

Location: Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania


« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 09:15:41 AM »

Quote
I got the extractor that comes with that kit from mannlake.

I also got this kit and for the money it was well worth it.  Unfortunately my bee yard is going to be expanded considerably this year and I suspect that this 3 frame extractor is going to be too small very soon.  With that in mind, for you guys and gals with 20-40 hives, what size extractor are you using?  I believe with my lofty goal of 800+ hives I will outgrow a few extractors in time, so eventually I want to get a 40 frame or larger.  For now I don't think that is necessary though.
Logged

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(''')_(''')
KONASDAD
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 2011


Location: Cherry Hill, N.J.


« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 09:37:18 AM »

I borrow the clubs Mann Lake. I will probably wait until I can afford a radial for mediums.
Logged

"The more complex the Mind, the Greater the need for the simplicity of Play".
Cindi
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 9827

Location: Grindrod, B.C. Canada


« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2008, 09:52:30 AM »

Sean, I bought a plastic two frame extractor and it was simply crap, sorry for the blatentness, but it was totally terrible.  The handle bent, it was so hard to turn the handle and I could go on.  It is now used for my crush and strain, it works great for that.  It is my container I use to hold this honey and then I gate it into another big pail with a honey gate.  It works well for this, hee, hee  Wink Smiley.  Have a wonderful and great day, Cindi

I am going to be buying an extractor for this season, so I am listening to advice from my friends here too.  C.
Logged

There are strange things done in the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.  The Arctic trails have their secret tales that would make your blood run cold.  The Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see, what the night on the marge of Lake Lebarge, I cremated Sam McGee.  Robert Service
DayValleyDahlias
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 1629


Location: Aptos, California


WWW
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 11:31:56 AM »

Oh brother, The Sweinty one and Italian ones look good...Mann Lake stuff looks good too...hhhmmm...so many choices...tough for a Libra Lady...
Logged


<img src="[url]http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniWeather2_both_cond/language/www/US/CA/Aptos.gif
" border=0
alt="Click for Aptos, California Forecast" height=50 width=150>[/url]

"Become vegetarian/vegan, and no one gets hurt"
BMAC
Field Bee
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 615

Location: Upstate NY Schoharie county


WWW
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 02:11:36 PM »

Quote
I got the extractor that comes with that kit from mannlake.

I also got this kit and for the money it was well worth it.  Unfortunately my bee yard is going to be expanded considerably this year and I suspect that this 3 frame extractor is going to be too small very soon.  With that in mind, for you guys and gals with 20-40 hives, what size extractor are you using?  I believe with my lofty goal of 800+ hives I will outgrow a few extractors in time, so eventually I want to get a 40 frame or larger.  For now I don't think that is necessary though.
I run 30 last year.  I used a 9 frame radial hand crank.  It worked pretty well.  I finished extracting everything in 3 full work days.  I was pretty sick and tired of hand cranking that sucker.  They make an electric motor for this and if I have to use it this year I will buy the motor for it.  That motor costs about $400.00.  It will be well worth it to me as I should be 100+ hives for honey this coming season.

I would rather opt to rent the honey extracting room from a local commercial guy and just extract my honey 1 week before he starts his extraction.  that would allow me to extract all of it in a day or two.
Logged

God Bless all the troops
Semper Fi Marines!
livetrappingbymatt
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 49

Location: central new york


« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 03:00:50 PM »

Don't skimp on equiptment,buy cheap and you will relent it a long time.
Having the right equiptment will save you time and time equals money.
An extractor that will hold 1 super takes about 15-20 minutes to dry the frame,so how many supers will you expect to harvest?
Personally I would rather spend my time working in the bee yards than extracting.
bob evans
Logged
BMAC
Field Bee
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 615

Location: Upstate NY Schoharie county


WWW
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 03:57:37 PM »

Don't skimp on equiptment,buy cheap and you will relent it a long time.
Having the right equiptment will save you time and time equals money.
An extractor that will hold 1 super takes about 15-20 minutes to dry the frame,so how many supers will you expect to harvest?
Personally I would rather spend my time working in the bee yards than extracting.
bob evans

Exactly. 
Logged

God Bless all the troops
Semper Fi Marines!
bassman1977
"King Bee"
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1787

Location: Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania


« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 04:15:44 PM »

Great info.  Thanks a lot.
Logged

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(''')_(''')
rdy-b
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2212


Location: clayton ca


« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 05:24:52 PM »

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bfs/555642068.html       offer the guy four hundred -its a six -twelve from dadant                  https://www.dadant.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_72&products_id=364      should fill the bill  cool  RDY-B
Logged
TwT
Senior Forum
Global Moderator
Galactic Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3384


Location: Walker, La.

Ted


« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 06:50:34 PM »

Quote
I got the extractor that comes with that kit from mannlake.


I also got this kit and for the money it was well worth it.  Unfortunately my bee yard is going to be expanded considerably this year and I suspect that this 3 frame extractor is going to be too small very soon.  With that in mind, for you guys and gals with 20-40 hives, what size extractor are you using?  I believe with my lofty goal of 800+ hives I will outgrow a few extractors in time, so eventually I want to get a 40 frame or larger.  For now I don't think that is necessary though.


I have a 12/20 frame extractor from Kelly, can do 20 medium frames at a time (that is two 9 frame supers plus 2 frames) , when I extract its usually in the 90's temp wise so it only runs about total 5 minutes a extraction, it takes longer to let the honey flow out of the extractor than extracting because I filter it coming out of the extractor, that's why I am looking for a uncapper because the extractor is done before I get the next set of frames uncapped.......here's a picture of one like mine, I need to take a picture of mine and the stand its on.

Logged

THAT's ME TO THE LEFT JUST 5 YEARS FROM NOW!!!!!!!!

Never be afraid to try something new.
Amateurs built the ark,
Professionals built the Titanic
johnnybigfish
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 2038


Location: Wichita Falls Tx


WWW
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2008, 08:01:52 PM »

Hey guys!
 I've been waiting to tell someone about MY extractor I got last summer,.
I got it even before my bees came. This was one of the best deals I ever came across..Maybe, Dahlia, one of these deals will come up before the spring.
 Anyways, I clicked on a bee forum.(Dont even remember which one)
 I went to the trading post and a guy was selling an extractor so I called him up...He was down in San Antonio about 7 hours away. He wanted only 50$ so i said ok, and for him to figure out shipping and stuff. Anyways, with shipping It was gonna be about 160$(seemed kinda high to me for shipping).
 Now, with some quick thinking, I remembered Debra(who has an office where I work) was doing a 3 week TDY and was fixing to come back in a couple of days. Debra volunteered to go get it from the guy for me(oh yeh,...we watch her dog when she goes TDY) Which was GREAT!  So I asked the guys his address and had someone to pick it up for me saving me freight costs. He then said he would take it to her at the base as that was where he works! At any rate, Debra and this guy met and had lunch and she got the extractor for me!
 I dont know who made it but it hold 4 frames and I hand crank it. I've used it two times so far. I just need to make a device to hold down the spinner to the drum. One thing I'm not sure of is how much it will hold before the spinner is in the honey. I'll find out this summer though.
 I got it even before I knew what a "frame" was..I just knew I couldnt pass it up for some reason!
your friend,
john
Logged

Moonshae
Field Bee
***
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 988


Location: Helmetta,NJ


« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2008, 08:33:55 PM »

I got a 9/3 for $450 and free shipping from Brushy Mtn this winter. haven't used it, but I figure that if i can do 9 meds at a time, it should be a while before my expansion outgrows the extractor. It's a hand crank, but could be disassembled and a hand drill used for power. Free shipping beat the 18/9 from mann lake, for $550 + $250 shipping...
Logged

"The mouth of a perfectly contented man is filled with beer." - Egyptian Proverb, 2200 BC
Brian D. Bray
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 7369


Location: Anacortes, WA 98221

I really look like this, just ask Cindi.


WWW
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 12:15:35 AM »

If you want to turn your hand crank into an electric buy a variable speed regulator for a routor.  I bought one from Harbor Freight Toos for $9.99.  With an inline timer and adjusting the voltage you can pretty well let it run itself.  Get an extra arbor and mount a pulley on it and replace the handle on the extractor with a pulley.  You can also regulate the speed buy using different sized pulleys. 
Logged

Life is a school.  What have you learned?   Brian      The greatest danger to our society is apathy, vote in every election!
xC0000005
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 35

Location: Kirkland, WA


WWW
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 09:27:40 AM »

I have been reading all the many posts pertaining to extractors...I don't want to spend tons of $$...but I would like more bang for my buck...

Any suggestions on an extractor that can do the job with having to wait days for frames to clear...etc...can't crush and strain as I am pretty certain I will be using PF 120's...


I suggest building one. (Then again I just enjoy that sort of thing).  Not certain I can post a link but let's see -
Building your own Honey Extractor.  (Hey it worked!)  There are plans on beesource as well.  The thing is that time is also a currency, and you might want to invest it differently than me.
Logged

"Tell me again why you want to put a box with thousands of angry, stinging insects in our backyard?" - my wife.

http://www.voiceofthehive.com
Understudy
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4640


Location: West Palm Beach, Fl


WWW
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 09:43:28 AM »

First off.

To the mods. I must apologize. I don't know why I missed this but I did. Next to fatbeeman we have a real celebrity in our midst. So I will commence with a blantant thread jack.

xC0000005 is a person who posted his stories on beekeeping on a website known as Kuro5hin(pronounced corrosion). I am not even sure if you can find those original Tales from the Hive stories unless you are registered with Kuro5hin. The story and comments afterward bordered on priceless.

If there is anyone who early on I found inspring and intrigued me about beekeeping. It was xC0000005.  He has since switched to writing at Voice of the Hive. How I missed this I am not sure blame it on brain fart if you must.

This is someone who tells the best bee stories I have read in a long time.  I for one am grateful to see you posting in this forum.

We now return you to your regular thread topic.

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Logged

The status is not quo. The world is a mess and I just need to rule it. Dr. Horrible
PerryBee
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 47

Location: Lunenburg, Nova Scotia


« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 09:47:40 AM »

Hey John, I have another "good deal " story. Just started into keeping and I called a supply store that was selling out their keeping stuff and going only strictly candle workshops ( BC Wicks and Wax, Cindi ) I asked if they had any extractors left and the guy said sorry, all gone. Then he says hold on, they have a two frame Maxant that they rent out and he was tired of having to chase it down all the time. He says come on down and he'll give me a deal. This extractor was in excellant shape, a little dirty but not too bad. I asked how much and he says take it away for 25 bucks!!! Best deal I ever got in this field for sure! grin Perry
Logged
Cindi
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 9827

Location: Grindrod, B.C. Canada


« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 09:55:29 AM »

PerryBee, wrote down BC Wicks and Wax.  Thanks.

Brendhan, I have bookmarked Voice of the Hive and will check it out.

xC0000005.  That is cool that Brendhan figured out who you are, not sure how he did that, but I am of a sleuthy type nature sometimes, so I am getting in that mode.  Maybe I missed something here. 

So, yes, checked out your profile, saw your website in their, guess I will have to do some reading when I have a few extra moments (hee, hee), I love stories of the bees too, especially is they are well written, sounds like you have a good handle on this, smiling.  Have a wonderful and greatest of days, lovin' this life we live.  Cindi
Logged

There are strange things done in the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.  The Arctic trails have their secret tales that would make your blood run cold.  The Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see, what the night on the marge of Lake Lebarge, I cremated Sam McGee.  Robert Service
DayValleyDahlias
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 1629


Location: Aptos, California


WWW
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 10:00:36 AM »

Oh great information, really...I am not able personally to build my own, if my Dad were alive he surely would build one, perhaps I can encourage my hubby to give it a go....

Shar
Logged


<img src="[url]http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniWeather2_both_cond/language/www/US/CA/Aptos.gif
" border=0
alt="Click for Aptos, California Forecast" height=50 width=150>[/url]

"Become vegetarian/vegan, and no one gets hurt"
xC0000005
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 35

Location: Kirkland, WA


WWW
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2008, 12:10:25 PM »

Next to fatbeeman we have a real celebrity in our midst.

Thanks.  I think.  I never know how to respond to these sort of things - "Yes, I am great" is pretentious and flat out wrong, "I am a worm" is too far the other way.  Let's try this - I'm a beekeeper just like the rest of you (Heck, I still get the creeps when they crawl on my fingers).  I just happen to enjoy writing about bees.  You want celebrities go for the real guys. Mr. Bush, fatbeeman (Don).  You don't find articles about me in Bee Culture.  For that matter nothing I've written has ever graced its pages.  Keep in mind that most of these were originally stories I told to my children to explain what was going on in the hive.  There are factual errors, I'm sure.  Sometimes I get things flat out wrong.  The "how to" sections at the end aren't really.  They are like the reader's digest "how to" books - just enough information for a reader to feel informed, but not enough to really get the job done.  Just read for enjoyment and everything will be fine.

Cindi - No problem with being "outed".  My whois information has never been obscured (and I"ve been called at home by strangers, including a man from the east coast who called at 4:00 a.m.)

In regards to the extractor, it's a fine line between link whoring ("Hey, everyone!  Look what I did!  Look! Look! Look!") and providing valuable information.  The goal is to just make sure people know they have options.  You can build this one. I've built a variant of the plywood one from beesource.  You can buy.  No one solution is perfect for everyone.  As with most things in beekeeping, there are a dozen ways that work, and half as many that are "right".  Whatever works for you.


Logged

"Tell me again why you want to put a box with thousands of angry, stinging insects in our backyard?" - my wife.

http://www.voiceofthehive.com
Understudy
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4640


Location: West Palm Beach, Fl


WWW
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2008, 12:38:11 PM »

 xC0000005

Bee Movie wasn't very accurate either but if people found it inspiring. I am all for it.

Michael Bush was on this site long before I was. I have in a tongue in check manner labeled him "patron saint." I am sure he would prefer something else. Smiley

BC and ABJ don't publish a lot on MB or Don. A small article here and there maybe. But they tend not to do the justice that the two of them have contributed to beekeeping. So don't worry. I think the editors at the mags would have a heart attack if someone wrote an in depth article on Dee L. or MB or Don and their methods. I think it would crush their paradigm.

In regards to your extractor what kind of handle did you make to spin the extractor?

Sincerely,
Brendhan




Logged

The status is not quo. The world is a mess and I just need to rule it. Dr. Horrible
xC0000005
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 35

Location: Kirkland, WA


WWW
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2008, 12:57:06 PM »

xC0000005

In regards to your extractor what kind of handle did you make to spin the extractor?



Handle?  Handles are for hand cranking. Smiley

Since I can post links at this point, let's try this:
Video of Extractor running


Note this was before i added flashing to hold the top bearing, so it looks slightly different now.  For next year I'll run a variable speed motor, shaft drive up the side from underneath the extractor (so it won't be top heavy).  Since I need to add legs anyway, space for the motor won't be an issue.
Logged

"Tell me again why you want to put a box with thousands of angry, stinging insects in our backyard?" - my wife.

http://www.voiceofthehive.com
Understudy
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4640


Location: West Palm Beach, Fl


WWW
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2008, 01:09:56 PM »

A drill is an excellent handle. Smiley

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Logged

The status is not quo. The world is a mess and I just need to rule it. Dr. Horrible
WLF1961
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 23

Location: Port Neches,TX


« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2008, 07:14:55 PM »

Has anyone tried the 9 frame extractor from brushy mountain that has the strainer and tank on the bottom? Was thinking of getting one but thought I would ask before buying. thanks, Wayne
Logged
rdy-b
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2212


Location: clayton ca


« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2008, 07:24:58 PM »

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bfs/555642068.html       offer the guy four hundred -its a six -twelve from dadant                  https://www.dadant.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_72&products_id=364      should fill the bill  cool  RDY-B
             DID YOU CALL THE GUY  huh  this spring they will be hard to get at the good price
Logged
WLF1961
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 23

Location: Port Neches,TX


« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2008, 07:33:17 PM »

Yea I called middle of the week and said they should be in by end of Feb. They didn't say anything about a new price but looked at the website today and noticed the extractor went up $30 and an extra tank to go with it went up about $65.
Logged
rdy-b
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2212


Location: clayton ca


« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2008, 07:40:13 PM »

 grin
Yea I called middle of the week and said they should be in by end of Feb. They didn't say anything about a new price but looked at the website today and noticed the extractor went up $30 and an extra tank to go with it went up about $65.
  huh    I was refering to my quote for a used one reread the highlighted portion of my post  cool origanaly posted for the person that started the topic  cool cheesy DAY VALLEY        Smiley RDY-B
Logged
DayValleyDahlias
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 1629


Location: Aptos, California


WWW
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »

Heya RDY

$400.00  hhhhmmm well...he won't hit me if I offer $400.  Huh
Logged


<img src="[url]http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniWeather2_both_cond/language/www/US/CA/Aptos.gif
" border=0
alt="Click for Aptos, California Forecast" height=50 width=150>[/url]

"Become vegetarian/vegan, and no one gets hurt"
rdy-b
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2212


Location: clayton ca


« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2008, 09:06:39 PM »

I spoke with him about a sixtey frame unit and one moth ago he would sell it for 400 -work up from that tell him the truth that you only have limited money to spend -for all we know it is already gone -RDY-B
Logged
BGhoney
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 37


Location: Battle Ground Wa


« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2008, 10:52:15 PM »

I Drove way down and bought, RDY-Bs  Dadant 20 frame extractor.  Better Bang than some because it will hold 20 frames of big or med frames, or 36 frames of shallow. I don't extract deep frames now, but I may in the future.. cool
Logged
rdy-b
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2212


Location: clayton ca


« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2008, 11:05:27 PM »

Howdy BG 50 frame maxant is all ordered and they are building it- I did not get shuch a easy on the wallet price as pepole buying twenty framers but i am exited -hope you have lots of honey to spin this year  cheesy cool RDY-B
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Beemaster's Beekeeping Ring
Previous | Home | Join | Random | Next
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines | Sitemap Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.525 seconds with 21 queries.

Google visited last this page September 19, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
anything