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« on: September 18, 2007, 06:47:23 PM »

As many of you know in my recent travels I had come to despise the joke that is the TSA. Not only do I not feel any safer traveling but these people in a general stereotype manner are awful. And I am no longer trying to find the cream of the crop.

Here is a link to a story of someone who had a wonderful episode and decided to post it. I hope he does not end up on a no fly list.

http://www.netstumbler.com/2007/09/18/my-wonderful-trip-to-south-africa-that-didnt-happen-thanks-to-the-tsa-and-delta-airlines/

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 08:14:11 PM »

me 3.  when TSA was started my husband and i both laughed.  when did the government ever run anything efficiently?  we didn't laugh long.  we both travel a lot and we both feel like going through TSA checks must be something like running thought SS lines without getting noticed.

the one avoidable mistake this guy made was booking with Delta.  they suck a lot.  only United sucks more, in my opinion, although Continental comes in there very close. 

my husband left for a trip to Africa this year.  he left early on a Saturday.  It was a Delta flight (not his choice).  He got to NY late, missed his connection, couldn't get to Paris in time to catch one of the limited flights to Gabon.  he had gone back to the Delta desk and because his boarding pass had expired could not get back into the secure area where the cots were.  Delta would not put him up for the night.  he slept in a chair.  through a combination of Delta incompetence and bad weather, he did not get home until late monday night.  they did finally give him a room and meal voucher on sunday.

like this fellow, my husbands bags went to africa without him.  they came back over a week later.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 09:02:41 PM »

My son-in-law has the same name as an Irish terrorist.  As a result he is on a list and is taken aside at every opportunity during flights to be searched.  You'd think after the first time, they could distinguish him from the real guy, but no, his name is still the same so Kevin gets extra searches and thus always has to add extra time to his arrival at the airport.  The really odd thing is that he can check the airplane website the day before and find out if he can expect extra time to be extra-searched!  So they must know he isn't the Irish guy, but still delay him nonetheless.

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 03:24:53 AM »

Recently in the US an Aussie woman, when told their were no peaunuts left, replied "oh, fair dinkum"!

The hostie promptly complained to the pilot that she had been subjected to dreadful swearing. The woman was almost put in chains and met by "Security" on arrival.

For gods sake, how the hell can people like this be allowed any form of responsibility, on an aircraft makes it worse.

Believe me, if she had been sweared at by an Aussie,  there would have been no doubt!
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 11:41:27 AM »

people have made 'being offended' a sport.  we have spent so much time in this country convincing different groups that they are victims and  people will treat them badly, that they are looking for that bad treatment.  a little extra for them?  if someone offends them, they can sue!!

which is why, mick, i am sensitive to the fact that i often offend people.  i don't really care, but i don't like to offend people i like. i also am aware that my victim status of 'woman' is negated by the 'white' factor, and the "B****" factor.  smiley  evil

back to the plane thing.....i fly SW whenever i can.  they are fun.  i know they are also very security conscious.  they prove that you can be both.  right after 9/11 i had to fly.  security was tight at the airports, but it was  not organized yet.  as i got into the boarding line at the gate, i was beside two young men that just oozed military.....in spite of the fact they tried not to  smiley.  same thing on the flight back and the next flight i took.  i do not know for a fact, but these guys had blackwater or the = written all over them.  in addition....they have never lost my bags.  it is very rare for them to be late. in fact, they are often early.  they are cheep!!
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 02:01:47 PM »

back to the plane thing.....i fly SW whenever i can.  they are fun.  i know they are also very security conscious.  they prove that you can be both.

And how long was the skirt you were wearing when you flew with Soutwest?  grin grin grin

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 02:50:48 PM »

skirt?  are those the drafty bits of cloth that some women wrap around their hips?  smiley

dumb call, but they addressed it with good humor.  my husband would have been happy to switch seats with the offended male/female!
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 04:27:34 PM »

Just got back from San Diego and flew Southwest. My husband and I get on the plane and my husband is still holding the boarding pass in his hands. I ask him what gives?? He says no one took it from him. I promptly informed a stewardess who could not believe this happened, but took the boarding pass and corrected the problem.
What gives???
Are we safer with all this extra security?
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 04:57:34 PM »

It is always a false sense of security.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 06:01:11 PM »

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Are we safer with all this extra security?

understanding that there is no 100% guarantee with any security, i think it depends on what you are talking about.  i used to routinely fly with a pretty good size knife in my bag.  i do not feel safer now not being able to carry it.  are they doing a better job of intercepting plots before they are executed?  it would seem so.  the only time you really know how well security measures work, is when they don't.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 12:38:03 AM »

I use a cane when I have good days and can walk.  A cane can be a weapon (in self defence only, of course)  Soon I won't even be able to take that on a plane.  Every person has a right to self pertection but government regulations are doing everything they can to render the general public helpless.

Business and the Education system are doing the same thing.  If you're defenseless you're at their mercy.  I refuse to be at anybodies mercy.

P.S.  I'm an acrophobiac.  I get paniky when I get 2 feet off the ground--the 2 I stand on.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 11:15:33 AM »

once i took a red eye and was seated next to a woman who was knitting.  i was surprised that they allowed her to bring knitting needles on the plane.  because her clicking was keeping me awake, to pass the time i started thinking about all the ways knitting needles could be used as weapon.

 i had to quit after a bit because the clicking was quite annoying........   evil
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2007, 10:30:39 AM »

I ve been escorted off a plaine in Cayman Islands b/c I had the audacity to request the names of the flight attendants. I flew US Air from Philly. I arrived at 6am for a 10;30 flight. They had two people working. It took all of that time to check bags and clear security. I had to run to plane. I sat on runway for three hrs. They ran out of food and all drinks and all snacks w/in three rows of people. In fact they sold the sandwiches. I asked the attendant for water so I could take medicine since it had been since 5am that I had anything to eat or drink at was now 4:30pm and she replied there was only water for the crew and first class. I advised her of my medical need to take this meds w/ food, which there was none or at least water. Trust me I was polite when I asked, not b/c I wanted too, but the meds just ripped my insides and I really needed something to take w/ it. She told me "You get what you paid for!" Mind you, the flight was over $700. I asked for her name. She said if I asked again, she would call the police. Losing my  cool and not caring if I was rude at this point, I asked again. and again and again. Quitely, w/o cursing, but firmly. She put her fingers in her EARS!!! like a child. When I arrived in Caymans, police were waiting. Machine guns, billy clubs, mace and one taser. The whole nine yrds. I just stood there and asked them what I was being charged w/, and I want to see my ambassodor. Eventually, the pilot made his way to the group of people, me and 9 police. I asked him what I did wrong. His reply, you cant ask for the attendants names and all problems need to be addressed on the ground only. He and I started going at it I asked for his name and he refused. I demanded I be arrested or released or my ambassador or apologized too for their conduct. After five minutes of going around the may pole I was just told to leave. I demanded to be arrested. I asked the pilot if the attendants wree "mentally healthy." His reply, we have problems w/ them all the time. I asked then why the police escort  if he knows they are bad employeees. He said you cant ask for there names. I was so angry I switched my return flight to another airline and wrote letter after letter to US air. No response. I hate airport security. I fervently hope US AIR goes under. I never have a good flightw/ them, but Philly is there hub and numerous flights are vailable. UGH!
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2007, 10:52:40 AM »

The President of the Real Madrid football team, the team where was playing Beckham that now is playing in the Galactic team....yes Beckham, the English that is married with Victoria, a woman that was singer any time ago... cheesy
Well, the President, travelled to New York last night, he was interested in the opera. He was detained during 3 hours in your airport because his second name. He couldn´t listen the opera.

His second name is Calderon. Perhaps was confused with the Mexican President and was traited as an illegal inmigrant. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2007, 11:53:24 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2007, 06:16:03 PM »

Flying is not safer today than it was on 9/11. The TSA is for the most part incompetent. The people that are hired to work at the airports are just as bad. My daughter was a flight attendant and witnessed MANY things that people wouldn't think happen. For her safety and sanity, she quit flying for a living.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2007, 06:26:03 PM »

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you state this as fact.  on what do you base your assertions?
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2007, 08:06:53 PM »

Yes, it was stated as a fact but it is more my opinion based on discussions with my daughter and her flight crew. I had the opportunity to talk with the flight attendants and pilots during their layovers in the local area. My daughters finance is also in the airline business working with flight and crew scheduling for commercial and private aircraft. My opinion is based on the stories of security breaches, near air collisions, overweight flights, antiquated air traffic control equipment, age of aircraft, etc.

With that being said, considering the number of flights each day and number of passengers that safely fly each day, it is not a very unsafe industry. I do fly for business quite frequently and my main concern is the lack of customer service. However, my point was I don't believe all the TSA and Homeland Security hype has made us any safer than 9/11.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2007, 05:21:41 AM »

I was right. It was a problem with the surname (Calderon, like the new mexican "satrap") and inmigration.

The news:

Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon refused to complain after being held by immigration officials over a security bleep-up at a New York airport.
The confusion came because his surname figured in a blacklist held by the immigration service. Calderon was visiting New York to attend the opening of the Opera season with his wife.
"They acted appropriately," said Calderon. "The only bad thing that happened was they refused to listen to me.
"Of course, I told them a thousand times I wasn't the person they were looking for. I told them I was president of Real Madrid, but they wouldn't listen.
"I must say I am disappointed by some of the reporting of this. I've already seen on the internet some claims I was stopped over 'strange circumstances'. What rubbish! What happened to me, has happened to many people travelling from Spain. You just have to laugh about it."
Calderon added: "The only concern I had was my wife and I would miss the Opera. But we managed to get to the theatre five minutes before it began. We had dinner with Placido Domingo, a great Madridista, afterwards and joked about the incident."

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2007, 10:19:06 AM »

Given the technology available this should not happen for as long as it did. . Access to google probably would have provided a picture of Real Madrids coach. Also, a picture and identifyiong marks are included on terrorist lists. Why the same people get stopped time after time is mind boggling.
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