Need Bees Removed?
International
Beekeeping Forums
October 23, 2014, 12:50:03 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: 24/7 Ventrilo Voice chat -click for instructions and free software here
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar bee removal Login Register Chat  

Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: We have your President!  (Read 6382 times)
Mklangelo
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 403


Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin - USA (42° 57' N 87° 54' W)


« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2007, 08:28:36 AM »

I am not saying this applies to anyone here!

A little thought tweaked through my mind the other day.  I was thinking about how the 'extreme islamists' (I use little quotes because I don't think they're all that extreme in their own religion) hate Americans more than they love their own children.  And then I thought about the Bush haters.  They hate Bush more than they love this country.  The parallel is frightening.

I am not saying this applies to anyone here!

Liberals would draw the parallel between radical Islamic fascism and the KKK as it's counterpart in Christianity.  That's another lie spun by the left wing media.  The per capita radical portions of Islam out weigh the radical portions of Christianity by 10,000 to one.  What, every 15 years a radical Christian blows up an abortion clinic?   These Islamic psychotics blow up their own people on a daily basis.

And just so you all know, Jordan is sitting on more Palestinian land than Israel ever did.  You'll never hear the media tell you that either, because it doesn't fit their "America and Israel are bad" template, that's why.
Logged


<img src="[url]http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniStates_both/language/www/US/WI/Milwaukee.gif
" border=0
alt="Click for Milwaukee, Wisconsin Forecast" height=100 width=150>[/url]

If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside.
  - Robert X. Cringely
asprince
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1696

Location: Fort Valley, Georgia


« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2007, 10:33:08 AM »

Mklangelo and kathyp ........ I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK. Thank you for the great posts.

As for George W. Bush, you always know where he stands; he has been constant since day one. He is firm on his convictions and is not afraid to stand up for them. The right this is not always the most popular. I think history will prove GWB to be one of the greatest presidents of our time.

Isn't this a GREAT country where friends can have different opinions on issues and not kill each other?

Steve
Logged

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resembalance to the first. - Ronald Reagan
pdmattox
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1118


Location: lake city, florida


WWW
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2007, 11:13:05 AM »

Let me state the obvious here, Our problem did not start in the '20's or even in the last century. This has been thier way of life since the begining of islam. It is thier faith. 
  I feel the american people can't stomach nor want to think about the way this needs to be dealt with. just like the japs komikaze fighters, death is a great thing for these people that are fighting for islam and a tough way to fight using traditional tequniques.  This is horrible for me to think or say but If when we Identified a terrorist we would asemlble a death squad and eliminate the entire faimly of the terrorist(including extended family) we could maybe get thier attenton.  I think there was actuly a movie about something like that.
Anyway  a radical extremest is a bad thing, weather it is conservitive, libral, abortion clinic bomber, islamic, or whatever.  The greed of mankind is the biggest threat of all.
Logged

kathyp
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 15195


Location: boring, oregon


« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2007, 01:51:17 PM »

Quote
Jordan is sitting on more Palestinian land than Israel ever did


so they do.  the "palestinian" movement was about gettin the entire land under islam.  it started in the '20's, long before israel was re-established.  the arab countries have fostered the myth of the palestinian people and their plight, because it help redirect the radicals away from their governments.  it is interesting that in one generation history can be so rewritten, and the lie believed, even by otherwise intelligent people.

yes, all radicalism is potentially dangerous...... however, there are around 2 billion muslims in the world.  even muslims put the number of radicals at around 10%, and 3 or 4 times as many support their efforts.  you do the math.  that's a lot of people living to die killing us, and a lot of people supporting them.

you might want to look this up.  it's pretty scary especially since we know that various groups have been found to have purchased WMD material and employed experts including those from the AQ Kahn group. "Ruling Regarding the Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction".    also, here is a lovely sampling of teaching about the west, jews, and muslims who do not conform, etc.  http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR2504#_edn48  this also includes some bits from the above fatwa.

the stuff is out here for us to read.  if you stick your head in the sand, you just get it up the backside.

one more suggestion.  i have been reading Paul L. Williams books.  pretty interesting stuff.

http://marisaurgo.com/MSJ/Scholarship_files/A%20Treatise%20on%20the%20Legal%20Status%20of%20Using%20Weapons%20of%20Mass%20Destruction%20Against%20Infidels.pdf

thought i'd add the above.  probably have posted it before.   this is the long ruling on the use of WMD against infidels (us).  UBL caught some flack after 9/11 for killing so many civilians without warning, etc.  he asked for a ruling on mass killing and use of WMD.  this is what he got.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2007, 04:16:17 PM by kathyp » Logged

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
beemaster
Site Founder
Administrator
Galactic Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6254


Location: Manchester, NJ

It is my pleasure to bring the forums to you.


WWW
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2007, 01:58:04 PM »

I want to know when I ever said I disliked (to the point of hated) our President. I said he disappoints me and he does.

Don't ever call me LIBERAL of LEFTIST without thinking that MAYBE it is YOU that read things between the lines that are not there. Kathy,  we serious disagree on the lone topic when it comes to OUR CURRENT TACKTICS in IRAQ - I believe it INCREASES Islamic Wackos chances of recruiting - especially in a computer age. This isn't like any other war prior, even in 91 with the Internet, we had few if any smart bombs using GPS technology - some poor pilot aimed a laser at a building until it blew-up then got the heck out of there.

It is a different world. We will never leave Iraq, it is a matter only of what we choose to stay for, assisting local police, monitoring borders, maintening civil behaviour, etc. The problem is the Iraq police are NOT now and never will be able to execute their own stable society. So, thus we are there - at least 100 thousand strong I imagine without a chance of ever leaving, no matter who gets in office.

Enough of Calling me LIBERAL and LEFTIST for one day - I despise the idea and hope for a more conservative middle party to rule our land.
Logged

NJBeemaster my YOUTUBE Video Collection
Follow us on TWITTER
SKYPE NJBeemaster - include your FORUM NAME in contact request
My Personal FACEBOOK Page


"All donations to our forums are greatly appreciated"
Please click HERE to help support our forum.
kathyp
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 15195


Location: boring, oregon


« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2007, 02:45:52 PM »

don't believe that anyone called you a liberal or a leftist.  what are you reading into posts?

as for creating more radicals.....  so what?  if there are millions willing to kill us and we encourage a few thousand more, what difference does it make?  we still need to kill the millions.  it does not matter where.

the madrases turn them out yearly by the thousands.  they only need a cause, real or invented, to kill.  we are the current cause.  if not us, if not iraq, then it will be something else.

i, too, hope for a more conservative president.  i am disappointed in many of the things bush did.  letting spending go the way he did is one big thing.  that said, domestic spending is not our biggest problem.  i will, at this point, trade a bit of domestic conservatism for someone who recognizes the threat.....and more importantly, be willing to do whatever it takes to engage and destroy that threat.  i do not think we can find that resolve in a democrat.  certainly not in a liberal. 
Logged

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
Jerrymac
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6047


Location: Wolfforth Texas


« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2007, 03:05:19 PM »

Yep. It was said;

It is indeed sad that you blame the world's troubles on your own country and in particular on one man.  Sad indeed.  Just what the hell was Bush doing wrong when those airplanes hit the world trade center?  Breathing?  Your Liberal Guilt is showing through loud and clear. 
Logged

rainbow sunflower  Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.   rainbow sunflower

 Jerry

My pictures.Type in password;  youview
     http://photobucket.com/albums/v225/Jerry-mac/
kathyp
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 15195


Location: boring, oregon


« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2007, 03:11:32 PM »

ahhh.....well, at least i didn't do it!   grin
Logged

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
Understudy
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4640


Location: West Palm Beach, Fl


WWW
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2007, 10:13:26 PM »

darn Mick,

You got it all going. GWB is over there. I say it, Can you keep him, please?

The big bee conference is going on over there.

And of course the most important, I am there at the end of October.

Sincerely,
Brendhan
Logged

The status is not quo. The world is a mess and I just need to rule it. Dr. Horrible
mick
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1450


Location: s/e melbourne australia (-)37.50S 145.0E


« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2007, 04:51:30 AM »

To be honest, he looks like a bloke that has a good sense of humour and some interesting slants on things, the office doesnt let him be who he really is is IMO.

As far as a President goes? I wouldnt know, Im not under his rule.

As far as his effect on world events goes, he needs a bit of work.

Would the world be better off if the US vanished overnight? Definately not!

The USA is a mighty Nation, full of inspiring, gifted, talented, generous, down to earth and dedicted hard working people. Just think of all the Scientific, Commercial, Industrial and  Medical breakthoughs that have come from the USA. Not to mention the musicians, writers, poets, actors, sportspeople, Doctors and Leaders et al.

Tall Poppy Syndrome tends to focus on the worst aspects of society. The media thrives on scandal.

It is important to remember that thanks to our common bonds, born out of blood, sweat, tears and intermarriage, friendships and tourism, that most Aussies realise that what they see on the TV is not a realistic view of the USA.

As I said recently to the Skipper of the Kittyhawk: We may have our tiffs from time to time over wheat, free trade or some such thing as old freinds do. But when push comes to shove we stand united.

When your back is to the wall and your surrounded on all sides by the Enemy and you think you have no one on your side and all seems lost you will hear three sounds.

Beneath your feet will be the sound of an Aussie burrowing to help you, behind you will be the sound of an Aussie breaking through the wall to help you and above you will be the sound of an Aussie scrambling over that bloody wall to help you!

Why? Because we dont let our mates down.

Its great to see people posting what would get you shot in a lot of countries around the world.

LONG LIVE FREE SPEECH I SAY!

Logged
Mklangelo
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 403


Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin - USA (42° 57' N 87° 54' W)


« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2007, 05:51:18 AM »

As am American, that sort of stuff is nice to hear from time to time mick!


The fact that Aussies don't turn away from friends is clear in your Mr. Howard.  He is catching hell at home and he still he stands his ground.  That's called integrity.  The Democrats in Washington could use a dose of it.
Logged


<img src="[url]http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniStates_both/language/www/US/WI/Milwaukee.gif
" border=0
alt="Click for Milwaukee, Wisconsin Forecast" height=100 width=150>[/url]

If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside.
  - Robert X. Cringely
reinbeau
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 2502


Location: Hanson, MA and Lebanon, ME


« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2007, 07:22:26 AM »

Mick, you've affirmed what I already knew in my heart - the whole world does not hate America or Americans.  Thank you.
Logged


- Ann, A Gardening Beek -  ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Click for Hanson, Massachusetts Forecast" border="0" height="150" width="256
kathyp
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 15195


Location: boring, oregon


« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2007, 10:38:37 AM »

amen mick, and we have your back also.

did you get to go on the Kitty Hawk?? cool ship.  both my husband and oldest son served on her.  one in the '70's and one in the '90's. 

in a couple of weeks, my youngest will be pulling into port in your country.  he is looking forward to it more than any other port visit.  he has heard our stories of the fun we had there!  evil
Logged

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
asprince
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1696

Location: Fort Valley, Georgia


« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2007, 09:35:43 PM »

Thanks mick!! Your words spoke volumes from your heart. Made my day.

Steve
Logged

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resembalance to the first. - Ronald Reagan
BarneyG
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 29


Location: Irrigon,Ore.


« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2007, 01:04:32 AM »

 YOU ALL NEED TO REMEBER WHY BUSH WENT TO IRAQ IN THE FRIST PLACE  WEPONS OF MAST DISTRUCTION    HAVE THEY FOUND ANY IN IRAQ  NO   SO I SAY PULL THE TROOPS OUT OF THERE  NOW !  I HAVE ALREADY LOST  3 FAMILY MEMBERS IN THIS SO CALLED  IRAQ WAR
Logged

Barney
mick
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1450


Location: s/e melbourne australia (-)37.50S 145.0E


« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2007, 05:01:41 AM »

Barney I am very very sorry for the sacrifice your family has made, but I am eternally greatful for what they have done.

Its more than one family should have to suffer. I just wish for your sake and the sake of other families in your situation that the whole thing never happened.

We cant change the past, but I sincerely hope that 2008 will see an end to the mindless deployment of troops in under prepared vehicles and numbers, in situations that they shouldnt be in.

I believe that if all the veterans of this campaign that have been injured and maimed marched on Washington, the shear weight of numbers and their horrific legacies would lead to change.

There really is nothing I can say to you, except that I will ensure that people I know are made aware of families like yours.



Logged
kathyp
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 15195


Location: boring, oregon


« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2007, 11:29:35 AM »

I am one who thought that going into Iraq with ground troops at the same time we were in Afghanistan, was a bad idea.  I have since changed my mind.  It was either a brilliant calculation or a fortunate mistake.  I lean toward the latter.

Those who fight in Afghanistan say it is a hell hole.  They say we could have committed all our troops to that one place and had twice the casualties with half the kills.  As during the Afghan – Russian war, all jihadists would have swarmed back to Afghanistan.  As with that war, they would have had the advantage of the border and mountains and no rules of engagement.  Assuming our goal is to kill as many jihadists as will stick up their heads, Iraq is a much better place to fight.

As for the WMD argument, it is not accurate to say that we found nothing.  It is accurate to say that we did not find what we expected to find.  It is also a fact that tons of WMD material identified by the UN are missing.  There are many people having studied the available material, I among them, who believe that during our dink with the UN before going into Iraq, the material was moved.  There is hard evidence of this, and testimony of same.  Given the fact that the UN identified, but did not secure all of this material, it does kind of beg the question ‘where is the stuff?’.

Death in war cannot be avoided.  In this war, casualties have been minimal.  In Iraq 1, we expected 50,000 casualties.  In Iraq 2 we expected a minimum of 10,000.  This was based on intel from arab countries that had been monitoring Saddams deployment of WMD, and believed we would be hit as we went into the country.  It is not the loss rate that is the problem, but the slow bleed.  If we had taken this many casualties and been done with this in a couple of months, no one would think anything of it.

Mistakes in war cannot be avoided.  We have made our share.  Among them are our rules of engagement.  You cannot win a war quickly and decisively, if you can’t kill people and break things.  You cannot win if you are signed on to treaties and laws that the other side does not observe, while you do.

A report was written by two Chinese colonels on how to beat the US in war.  Their conclusion (the RD version) was this:  ‘the technology of the US cannot be beaten in war;  however, Americans are afraid to take casualties.  To beat them, you need only find a way to kill a few thousand and they will quit.’

UBL drew the same conclusion from our past actions.  We have become a nation of cowards in the eyes of the bad guys. 
This is not an x-box game.  There is neither a pause nor a reset button.  This is, in the words of our enemy, a fight to the death.  If they see it this way, how can we see it as less?

« Last Edit: September 11, 2007, 02:39:21 PM by kathyp » Logged

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
reinbeau
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 2502


Location: Hanson, MA and Lebanon, ME


« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2007, 11:51:41 AM »

Hear, hear, Kathy, I couldn't agree more. 

What so many refuse to accept is that the jihadists want us dead.  They don't care about themselves.  They hate us (the west) more than they love their own.  They want to win.  The only thing they know is the power of the sword.  We, Americans, believe in the good in everyone - well, there are just some people out there who have no good in them.  Until that's accepted, we're all in deep sneakers in this country.

I've had The View on only due to sheer laziness, I didn't want to walk across the room to turn it off.  That Joy whatever-the-heck her name is makes me crazy.  The moonbats must be proud of having her as one of them.  rolleyes  If it were up to her and that idiot Sarandon (sp?) we'd all be in burkas by now.
Logged


- Ann, A Gardening Beek -  ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Click for Hanson, Massachusetts Forecast" border="0" height="150" width="256
BarneyG
New Bee
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 29


Location: Irrigon,Ore.


« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2007, 02:19:47 PM »

Thanks Mick  for your kindnes and your kind thoughts  your a great mate from down under  , i lived in Collie  and Bumbury  Western Australia  for about 2 years  , you have such a wonderful country  and the people there were so kind  i really enjoyed my time i spent in Australia   Thanks again for your kind words Barney
Logged

Barney
Mici
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1502


Location: Zagradec, Grosuple, Lower Carniola, Slovenia

tougher than rock


WWW
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2007, 02:26:55 PM »

i don't have much to say nor to add, kathy said it all!!
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Beemaster's Beekeeping Ring
Previous | Home | Join | Random | Next
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines | Sitemap Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.576 seconds with 22 queries.

Google visited last this page October 16, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
anything