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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2007, 04:53:58 PM »

I'm at the beach with some friends. I got stung by a jellyfish I wonder if there are reasons to get stung by these guys as well as bees. Whats in honey bee venom that makes it good for some medical things?
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2007, 10:05:49 PM »

I got stung by a jellyfish I wonder if there are reasons to get stung by these guys as well as bees. Whats in honey bee venom that makes it good for some medical things?


Here are some articles I found when I was researching apitherapy for myself. I guess you would have to see what is in the jellyfish venom to see if it would have any "good" properties.

"Bee venom contains more than 40 pharmacologically active substances, many of which have yet to be studied. For centuries bee stings have been used to cure diseases such as Arthritis, Rheumatism, Gout, and many other painful joint conditions. Venom contains the protein 'Melittin' which stimulates Cortisol production from our adrenal glands. Cortisol is a natural anti-inflammatory and does not have the dangerous side effects of artificial steroids.Venom also contains 'Peptide 401' which is believed to be 100 times more powerful than cortico-steroids."  This article came from http://www.beelief.com/content.asp?sectionID=35

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"Bee venom is a unique multi-component complex, which contains about 30 biologically active compounds, some of which are practically impossible to get synthesized by chemical methods.

The main anti-inflammatory pharmacological components are peptides: melittin, apamin, peptide 401, adolapin, and protease inhibitors.


1) Melittin has strong antibacterial and anti-inflammatory properties. Destabilizes all the membrane structures at the level of the phospholipids. Stimulates ACTH-secretion in the pituitary gland and produces cortisone. It is 100 times more potent than hydrocortisone (Couch, 1972; Knepel et al., 1987; Vick et al., 1972, 1975). Melittin also stabilizes the lysosome cell membrane to protect against inflammation (Shkenderov et al., 1986).

2) Apamin works like melittin to produce cortisone (Vick and Shipman, 1972), and inhibits the complement system, C3, which is involved in inflammation (Gencheva et al., 1986). Apamin stimulates central and peripheral effects on the nervous system. Stimulates secretion of serotonin and dopamine; has anti-arrhythmic effect.

3) Peptide 401, or MDC peptide, blocks the arachidonic acid and inhibits prostaglandin synthesis (Hanson et al., 1974; Neubould, 1963; Surfer et al., 1973).

4) Adolapin inhibits the microsomal cyclooxygenase. It is 70 times stronger than Indomethacin in animal models (Shkenderov et al., 1986). It also inhibits platelet lipoxygenase, which involves hydroperoxyeicotetranonic acid (HPETE) and leukotriens (Koburova et al., 1985), as well as inhibiting thromboxane (TXA2) and prostacycline (PGI2), which are activated during inflammation (Shkenderov et al, 1986).

5) Protease inhibitors inhibit carrageenin, prostaglandin E1, bradykinin, and histamine induced inflammations; they also inhibit chymotrypsin and leucine-aminopeptidase (Shkenderov, 1986).

6) Schmidt-Lange (1941), Ortel (1955), and Fennell et al. (1968) reported that bee venom has a strong anti-bacterial and anti-fungal effect as well as a radioprotection effect (Ginsberg et al., 1968; Kanno et al., 1970; Shipman et al, 1967, 1968)."
 
This article came from http://www.apihealth.com/bee-venom-apitherapy.html
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2007, 10:43:30 PM »

Greg, some very nice work on research you have done.  I have looked at both sites and they are now in my favourites, I will be doing research myself through these two sites.  Awesome, good job and thanks.  Have a wonderful day, great life, love this life you're livin'.  Cindi
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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2007, 10:28:54 AM »

Yeah Greg, great research. Didn't contact my doctor yet, did talk with one yesterday, and he said do a wait and see, but my fingers are still kind of achy, the middle finger on right hand the most. This doctor said they desensitize people to bee stings. He said an ounce of bee venom goes for 10,000.00.
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2007, 04:59:59 PM »

Bee venom is gathered by using some kind of electric shock system, they discharge their venon and it is dried and collected, something along those lines, this information was recollected through those cobwebs in my mind.  Wink Have a wonderful day, great life, Cindi
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2007, 06:03:12 PM »

Greg,

Thanks for the excellent information.  Will have to pass this on to my "patient".  He doesn't know the scientific reasons why, he just knows it works.  He's up to 10 stings each time now for his rheumatoid arthritis and can't stop telling everyone how much better he feels.  My wife was talking to someone he knew the other day and they were commenting on how much better he was doing.  They put things together when she told them about his bee stings.

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2007, 07:13:04 PM »

Cindi, the doctor I spoke with yesterday did mention that electricity was used in some fashion to extract the bee venom, but we didn't talk about details. This doctor does give patients shots to de-sensitize against bee stings.
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2007, 02:13:54 AM »

Yeah, check out ABC's & XYZ's of Bee Culture.  I can't remember what page it was on but they go into great detail about the venom extraction.  Just read it last week, very fasinating.

Ok, I was a skeptic, but I think I have another success story here.  My hands have been really hurting due to a cyst in my wrist and carpal tunnel.  The pain comes and goes depending on how much abuse I give my hands at work.  But today while delivering at a gas station a freakin bee flys out of nowhere and goes right down my shirt.  BAMMM, got me right on the chest!  Still hurts like a mother!  I left that station and headed for Portland, Or to pick up another load due for BC, Canada tomorrow.  Half way there like magic, my right hand went back to normal.  30 min later my left hand does the same!!!

I'm starting to think maybe I should start a regiment here with my bees.  My only problem is I'm allergic to pain and dont think I could administer it myself.  I guess I could take my glove off and jam my hand real quick inbetween some frames during my next inspection, but that would take some real courage... like Jack Daniels courage...

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2007, 05:24:28 AM »

Sean, see, the venom works well for you too, I would just go ahead and do something to annoy just one bee at a time (possible or not?  hmmm).

I knees have been bugging me quite a bit the past couple of weeks.  Tried to do too much weeding in too short of a time.  When I get back to my home town I am definitely going to get some BVT going on in the area.  My sister would willingly catch a bee and give me a whollop with her.  After me giving her so many stings last summer on her knees, she would gladly assist, think there is a little revenge that might be enacted  evil  Back to B.C. this morning, yeah!!!  Can't wait to see how the rain and sun (in my hometown it has been sunny now since Saturday) have done to the bees, flowers and vegie gardens!!!  We grow things like aliens from outer space in our rainforest.

I'm going to post a picture of the gunnera maniculata, it grows like a monster, it has a huge red flower cone and I think that it must have some use for the bees, but it is hidden by the monster foliage, but I am going to keep a good eye on it this year and watch, with my eagle eyes!!!!  Have a wonderful day, great life, Cindi.
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2007, 01:49:17 PM »

Hey Sean, the bee sting pain hurts so good, a good kind of pain that gives you great relief. Its worth the pain of the sting, actually, the pain from the sting doesn't last that long because the feeling of relief kicks in so quickly.
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2007, 08:43:47 AM »

JP, he haw!!!!  Now that is something worth thinking about.  Have a wonderful day, beautiful life.  Cindi
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2007, 10:38:15 AM »

Cindi, of course I am referring to the relief from the pain that makes one seek the bee sting venom in the first place. My fingers are starting to act up again, and I put a call in to the doctor, but he hasn't called back yet. So, the journey begins to find the cause of my arthritic problem. Let me be clear, I am not in to s & m, trust me, I'm not. grin
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2007, 03:04:20 PM »

JP:

As I mentioned, I did 2 seasons of Apitherapy on my neck, 30+ stings per day. The good and bad "WEIGHED" in the favor of good for me - again, it felt like heating pad nicely working under my skin. It brough me relief in knots in my neck muscles, extended mobility and over all relief from the pain I suffered post accidentally.

In the hands though, stings are surely going to cause some swelling around the fleshier parts of the joints, making it feel numb and restricted until you get use to the feelings. But the first exposure to sting theraphy was a 60+ year old fellow who was stung about 10 stings a day in his OBVIOUSLY mangled hand from severe arthritis. It took him about a month to really see flexibility and reduced pain, but after that he was able to regain strength in his grip without "lighteninglike pain" and he was a car mechanic by trade, it gave him both grip and agility in his proffession, something he lost to the joint disease.

So besides each person's individual pain levels and obviously their reactions to sting theraphy, results sure can differ. I wouldn't think twice about restarting sting therapy if something was causing me great pain or chronic joint ailments, I just think it a shame that traditional medicine has such issues with holistic medicines and treatments. Look how long it took MDs to accept Chriopractics as an alternative - today PAIN MANGEMENT GROUP enlist acupuncture and acupressure as well as Raiki and other non-tradional Western treatments: mainly because no one want to dish out meds like Oxycontin, Percocet, Mophine and other meds (which in the big scheme of real pain do very little anyways) our society has a huge issue with opiates.

I'm just a big believer that if we can treat the scum of the planet (the killers and rapists and molesters)with ethical and lethal doses of meds to end their suffering, we should NOT be hypocritical and leave those good and respectible citizens with years and decades of suffering. If ANYTHING helps you through chronic or accute pain, depression, anxiety, etc., then I don't see the harm in trying to solve your torture - we can always deal with the issue of addictive medications, but to the terminally ill and constant pain sufferers, I don't think dependence on drugs should be the issue, quality of life should be the only issue in a humane society.
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2007, 11:48:34 PM »

Well put John. We have to look out for ourselves as I've stated before. There are some really good , knowledgeable doctors out there who truly care about what goes into anyone's body, but I have friends and family with enough horror stories about side affects of drugs that just have not been tested enough, to make me skeptical and I will do research before I take some drug, that anyone says is good for me.
 As for as the scum of the planet goes, I hear you loud and clear on that issue. We are here for a short time in the scheme of things and we should give it our best, enjoying life, and making others feel and share in how good things can be. If you want to take advantage of others and waste your life on evil, I say you should be omitted. Life is a gift, and noone owes anyone anything, to those who can't handle that concept, grow up or leave. You got me all philosophical with your post John, ahhh, I feel better now.
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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2007, 09:33:52 AM »

John, well said for sure.  I love the way you think and back you up 100%.  Have a wonderful day, great life.  Cindi
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