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 on: December 18, 2014, 04:58:43 PM 
Started by iddee - Last post by Geoff
  Never ever had to produce my licence to buy .22's. I dont think it matters much where you are in the world if you want ammunition and a firearm it can be got no matter what the law says. Of all the big ifs in lfe, had one of the hostages in Sydney been carrying maybe we would not be mourning the loss of 2 good law abiding citizens. Ex PM John Howard still spruiking about how he removed thousands of guns but we still get drive-by shootings, murders, hold-ups, robberies, and people being threatened by firearms of all sorts.

 on: December 18, 2014, 04:46:52 PM 
Started by beemaster - Last post by iddee
MB, you forgot to mention that the majority of the money used to bring them all back came from hunting and fishing licenses, and taxes on guns, ammo, fishing equip. and other wildlife expenses. In other words, the hunters paid to bring them back.

 on: December 18, 2014, 04:32:45 PM 
Started by beemaster - Last post by Michael Bush
>By the way, interesting list of hardware you list there. Out of curiosity, is there ANY wildlife left in Nebraska

The deer are so overpopulated that they are dying from several plagues and hitting them is a major cause of auto accidents.  We have Elk here and a season on them, and there were no elk here for almost 100 years.  We have big horn sheep here now as well and a season on them.  They were gone for almost 100 years as well.  We have wild turkeys, pheasants, quail etc. at levels not seen since the early pioneer days.  We even have a mountain lion season.  We do have game laws and enforcement... I can't find the exact dates, but we actually had no deer season from sometime back in the teens of the 1900s until, I think the 1960s.  Deer were considered extinct in Nebraska in 1915 as were Elk. 

 on: December 18, 2014, 03:48:57 PM 
Started by beemaster - Last post by Snowhitsky
The fact is the cause of violence is people.  The cause of more or less violence in one country or another (or rural vs city) is culture.

I agree 100% with you: the issue is people and their propensity for violence. Where we differ is the influence of firearms on the equation. You see firearms as a means of reducing risk to yourself and I see it as increasing it which is perfectly logical given our respective environments. If I lived in LA I suspect I might treat myself to a little extra "insurance" and if you lived in my neck of the woods you'd eventually forget to lock the front door before going to bed as I frequently do.

Incidentally, I have nothing against firearms per se. I was a professional soldier in the British Army so I have handled quite a varied range of ordnance and I have first-hand experience in facing down armed thugs with the threat of force.. Weapons always have and always will have a place in maintaining law and order it's just I'd rather they were largely in the hands of professionals of my choice. Personally, I have to say there's nothing quite like the sound of automatic 30mm cannon or .50 cal rounds flying overhead to focus people's minds on conflict resolution.

By the way, interesting list of hardware you list there. Out of curiosity, is there ANY wildlife left in Nebraska?   Wink

 on: December 18, 2014, 03:03:49 PM 
Started by iddee - Last post by Eric Bosworth
Quote from Chiefman: "How does it work over there in the US when you want to buy ammo ?
Here in Australia we have one of the strictest gun laws around and you need to show your licence in order to pick up a box of ammo."

Even with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, that self-styled imam acquired a gun and ammo for the hostage thing in Sydney, but you can't obtain a license to have firearms for self-protection.  In Mexico, possession of a single cartridge can get you a long prison term, yet the narco gangs kill hundreds with impunity.  In the USA, our Second Amendment is supposed to protect our RIGHT to keep and bear arms, but it's a constant struggle against the factions that want to take away that right.
Well said...

 on: December 18, 2014, 03:00:19 PM 
Started by beemaster - Last post by GSF
I can somewhat understand the position of our friends from across the pond. We are a gun culture -  and love it! We have a saying; "If guns were outlawed, then only outlaws would have guns."

The unfortunate truth around here with the murders is it's mainly blacks. These numbers aren't exact because I don't remember, but last year Montgomery, Alabama had something like 71 homocides. If only the white on white murders would have been counted the number would have been something like 5.

The black family has been destroyed by gov't freebies. My son works in the emergency medical field. He told me it wasn't nothing to be on a call at 2 in the morning during a school week and see very young black kids (10-13ish) all up and down the streets. If this was a working class family they would have been put to bed hours ago. These kids are from single parent (mom) homes. Poor things don't have a chance. A child gets messed up mentally when they grow up with no rules or responsibilities. The black folks I know who work and try to scratch out a living don't fall in this category.

 on: December 18, 2014, 02:58:53 PM 
Started by Eric Bosworth - Last post by Eric Bosworth
ok just as long as it is not just me.

 on: December 18, 2014, 02:14:01 PM 
Started by BlueBee - Last post by Michael Bush
AC History:

 on: December 18, 2014, 02:01:58 PM 
Started by BlueBee - Last post by Dallasbeek
Tesla worked for Westinghouse, didn't he?  Didn't AC exist long before Tesla?  I believe he made some improvements, but didn't invent AC or AC-powered motors.  All inventions build on prior technology.  Even fire was there before somebody figured out how to start a fire without lightning or something.  Of course there had to be some basic inventions, but there were no patents when they were created.

 on: December 18, 2014, 01:51:04 PM 
Started by beemaster - Last post by Michael Bush
Let's try applying the same logic as "guns cause people to become murderers" or "guns cause suicides" to other things and maybe point out the irrationality of it:

matches cause people to become arsonists
crowbars cause people to become burglers
hypodermic needles cause people to become mainline drug addicts
hemostats cause people to smoke grass
shot glasses cause people to become alcoholics
decks of cards cause people to become addicted gamblers
water causes people to drown people
butcher knives cause people to stab people
baseball bats cause people to become murderers who hit people in the head with bats
hammers cause people to become murderers who hit people in the head hammers

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